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Mike Tomlin has issue with Alejandro Villanueva coming out for the National Anthem?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:15 am
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For Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, being “respectful of our football team” trumped the right of Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva to show respect for the national anthem.
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“Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team,” Tomlin said.
Not sure if this a slight, but some in the media is running with it
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:16 am to tduecen
Not a smart decision by the coach
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:16 am to tduecen
I just want to watch football damnit! There is simply no escaping politics anymore
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:18 am to tduecen
That's a little fricked up if true. Dude deployed to afgahnistan.
On further review, he didn't say shite about him specifically and it didn't sound like he implied anything about him.
On further review, he didn't say shite about him specifically and it didn't sound like he implied anything about him.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:18 am to tduecen
Can we get some context?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:18 am to tduecen
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Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team
That guy had friends dying beside him in battle, and Tomlin's worried about his football team..... Tomlin can get fricked with the rest of them.
I agree with keeping your team out of sight, thats actually probably smart. But to call him out for doing that was likely a bad mistake
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:19 am to tduecen
I have somewhat a problem with Villanueva on this.
He is an West Point grad, which is why he did this. But you go to his Ranger training and values, which is group first. He put himself over his team. Now here is the tricky part, he wasn't really on the field, so he did not make it about himself. But the photo is clear he is in sight. The team apparently voted to stay in.
Tomlin said he did not want politics involved and they were one and just came to play "a damn football game".
I appreciate what both are saying/doing.
He is an West Point grad, which is why he did this. But you go to his Ranger training and values, which is group first. He put himself over his team. Now here is the tricky part, he wasn't really on the field, so he did not make it about himself. But the photo is clear he is in sight. The team apparently voted to stay in.
Tomlin said he did not want politics involved and they were one and just came to play "a damn football game".
I appreciate what both are saying/doing.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:19 am to tduecen
I'm sure he wanted 100% participation, which is why they stayed in the tunnel.
I don't think he's too worried with Villanueva on a personal level though. He'd rather them all do it together, but if one guy is going to come out, he's the one to do it.
I don't think he's too worried with Villanueva on a personal level though. He'd rather them all do it together, but if one guy is going to come out, he's the one to do it.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:20 am to tduecen
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For Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, being “respectful of our football team” trumped the right of Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva to show respect for the national anthem.
Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position? Why wouldn't his football team be respectful of their own teammate who served 3 tours in Afghanistan and stand for the anthem with him?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:21 am to sms151t
Is it group over country though?
The guy has a bronze star. I have no problem with him coming out.
The guy has a bronze star. I have no problem with him coming out.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:21 am to the_watcher
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Why wouldn't his football team be respectful of their own teammate who served 3 tours in Afghanistan and stand for the anthem with him?
This is the question. The answer will be, "It's not about the troops. We love the troops."
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:22 am to tduecen
Tomlin is a POS black lives matter supporter.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:22 am to JS87
quote:Link? He doesn't strike me as a BLM supporter, so unless you have a link, it seems like you're basing this on something else.
Tomlin is a POS black lives matter supporter.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:23 am to TH03
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Is it group over country though?
In that situation, I think so. Because staying in for the National Anthem does not put you or anyone else in front of criticism.
We, as football fans, know Villanueva's story. This now is going to possibly tear a team apart in some way. Tomlin was trying to prevent that, I feel.
I get both guys perspective on this, but at times the group is greater than the individual.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:23 am to the_watcher
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Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position?
Exactly. If you have a problem with him standing, why not have a problem with a few kneeling???
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:23 am to the_watcher
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Why does their logic never adhere to the exact opposite of their position?
Tomlin's logic isn't for or against the kneeling. His logic is to not let anyone make a big stink about one of his players doing whatever during the anthem. Good or bad. Villanueva came out, which made it a story.
I don't agree with Tomlin, but I understand his logic.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:24 am to tduecen
I understand Mike's position considering he doesn't want much division on the team since essentially the entire team agreed to remain in the tunnel during the Anthem and he is the head man so apparently Villanueva was able to convince him to permit this expression, really depends on context but thats what I'm inferring. Now from a PR standpoint, this is a VERY precarious position for Tomlin to be in considering how divisive this issue is.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:25 am to tduecen
If that's really Tomlin's stance and there's no media spin on this, he's a total dickbag and deserves zero respect.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:25 am to sms151t
Makes sense.
I get what Tomlin was trying to do, but I don't really have a problem with Villanueva. I don't know if he talked to teammates about it or anything either.
I get what Tomlin was trying to do, but I don't really have a problem with Villanueva. I don't know if he talked to teammates about it or anything either.
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