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re: Michael Vick's advice for Colin Kaepernick? 'Just go clean-cut'
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:46 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:46 am to TbirdSpur2010
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It's almost as if such people.....WANT....to keep the waters of racial unrest churning away.
this comment, its pretty revealing, people who talk about racism want to keep the racial unrest churning away? This seems pretty ignorant to me. So no its not a false equivalence, just because you dont perceive the injustice people are espousing about doesnt make it any less unjust. now there is a debate to be had about whats actually racism vs prejudice but dont assume these people just want to keep racial unrest alive.
but this is the msb, we can talk about this somewhere else if you like.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:47 am to LSUMastermind
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same could be said about Castille and NRA hypocrisy.
What hypocrisy?
CCP rules when stopped by police:
1. Turn on light if not mid-day.
2. Place hands on steering wheel.
3. Never store your weapon with or near your information.
4. Inform Police officer when he approaches.
5. Offer to allow him to disarm you.
6. Make no sudden movements.
7. If officer becomes uncomfortable and says stop, you stop.
These are 7 rules to make sure both you and the officer both feel safe and leave the situation unharmed. Failing any, but especially 6 of 7 is asking for trouble. The NRA choosing not to comment here has nothing to do with hypocrisy over the 2nd amendment or one's right to conceal carry. The reason you take a class in order to obtain your CCP is because their is a level of responsibility you take on and following protocol can save lives. Is the NRA supposed to take the side of all gun owners even when the situation was caused by them not observing training and curriculum? Guy gets shot in the woods because the person with a legal gun and legal hunting permit didn't visualize his target, is the NRA supposed to have his back as well?
ETA: (BOLDED) Mis-remembered the NRA stance and corrected as it very much changes the nature of the argument.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:49 am to AwesomeSauce
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1. Turn on light if not mid-day.
2. Place hands on steering wheel.
3. Never store your weapon with or near your information.
4. Inform Police officer when he approaches.
5. Offer to allow him to disarm you.
6. Make no sudden movements.
7. If officer becomes uncomfortable and says stop, you stop.
These are 7 rules to make sure both you and the officer both feel safe and leave the situation unharmed. Failing any, but especially 6 of 7 is asking for trouble. The NRA choosing to back the officer here has nothing to do with hypocrisy over the 2nd amendment or one's right to conceal carry. The reason you take a class in order to obtain your CCP is because their is a level of responsibility you take on and following protocol can save lives. Is the NRA supposed to take the side of all gun owners even when the situation was caused by them not observing training and curriculum? Guy gets shot in the woods because the person with a legal gun and legal hunting permit didn't visualize his target, is the NRA supposed to have his back as well?
he did all of this, was reaching for his i.d., even some NRA members thought this was a bad shoot.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:51 am to LSUMastermind
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people who talk about racism want to keep the racial unrest churning away?
No. People who insist on furthering a narrative of rampant racial division in literally the best country on this planet in which to be a minority are the ones to blame. Those are the individuals on both the micro level and in the media establishment I was referencing by saying "such" people.
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This seems pretty ignorant to me. So no its not a false equivalence
That was not the false equivalence I referred to in my earlier post. Stop being so sloppy with your debating that you just grab random turns of phrase of mine and insert them in incorrect context. That is true ignorance, and you have displayed it repeatedly itt.
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just because you dont perceive the injustice people are espousing about doesnt make it any less unjust.
Just because people espouse injustice doesn't mean I have to accept their position on its face, especially when the facts clearly say otherwise.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:53 am to LSUMastermind
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he did all of this
No, he did #4.
1. Turn on light if not mid-day. Not mid-day, but not dusk so would be his option here, not doing so isn't a huge deal, but im probably turning mine on to be safe.
2. Place hands on steering wheel. Nope.
3. Never store your weapon with or near your information. The gun was by his side that his license was on.
4. Inform Police officer when he approaches. He got one right!!!
5. Offer to allow him to disarm you. On both he and the cop for not doing this as soon as a weapon was known to be in the vehicle.
6. Make no sudden movements.Reached where his hands weren't visible supposedly going for his license.
7. If officer becomes uncomfortable and says stop, you stop.He argued that he wasn't going to grab the gun and continued reaching.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:03 am to TbirdSpur2010
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No. People who insist on furthering a narrative of rampant racial division in literally the best country on this planet in which to be a minority are the ones to blame. Those are the individuals on both the micro level and in the media establishment I was referencing by saying "such" people.
straw man, here. Just because its not as bad as other countries, we should be thankful for being a minority in this country, history be damned? Still a lot of racial issues in this country on both sides of the argument.
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Just because people espouse injustice doesn't mean I have to accept their position on its face, especially when the facts clearly say otherwise
what facts, thats an opinon, its what you belief vs what they belief.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:10 am to LSUMastermind
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straw man, here.
Nope, response to a previous post.
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Still a lot of racial issues in this country on both sides of the argument.
Never said there weren't.
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Just because its not as bad as other countries, we should be thankful for being a minority in this country, history be damned?
If you really cared about history, you'd see that America has done a more abrupt 180 on race relations than just about every nation in world history. In an incredibly short period of time. I didn't say it's utopia, but we have chicken littles running around acting like it's Jim Crow nationwide.
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what facts, thats an opinon, its what you belief vs what they belief.
Cops are not targeting minorities. That fact. That's what Kaep initially based his whole protest on.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:11 am to LSUMastermind
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because i disagree with him. wonderful
I love when people with zero debating skills get slaughtered on message boards.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:13 am to AwesomeSauce
The NRA should have not taken a stance on it at all. Both sides obviously screwed the pooch.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:19 am to Jcorye1
Especially when they come in hot with a douchebag comment.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:20 am to Jcorye1
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The NRA should have not taken a stance on it at all
I just went to double check myself and the NRA made no stance and was called out on it, hence the "hypocrisy" cries by those who ignore facts. My bad.
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Both sides obviously screwed the pooch.
Agreed, I'm not nor have I ever been a police officer so I can not speak on his behalf in regards to protocol. I do have a CCP and carry most days. I have been stopped by an officer on a few occasions and can say that following the ground rules covered ad nauseam in a CCP class is effective in deescalating the situation.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:26 am to LSUMastermind
quote:How do you know that? There's no video that I've seen released that shows all of his movements inside the car.
he did all of this
I'm not saying we can assume it's correct, but based on the officer's actions, we certainly know that maybe #6 and certainly #7 or in question. Unless you think Castile stopped when the officer said stop, and the officer shot him anyway? Possible, but again, IMO it means it's certainly no guarantee that he did all 7, since we couldn't see him.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:32 am to TbirdSpur2010
Real black man TbirdSpur killed fake black man StrongSafety's thread with the first reply. Well.. Then again TbirdSpur is black.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:44 am to Jcorye1
quote:They had taken stances and shown support in previous incidents
The NRA should have not taken a stance on it at all. Both sides obviously screwed the pooch.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:55 am to MontyFranklyn
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They had taken stances and shown support in previous incidents
For someone not following gun safety/CCP safety? Please cite these instances as I have not seen them.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:11 pm to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
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MontyFranklyn
First link, nothing to do with the NRA supporting Dunn. They simply state that the NRA is helping back a bill to limit sentencing in "Stand your ground cases" and the author uses Dunn as an example because they are against it.
Second link, same thing, about the same bill, but the author can't even get Jordan Davis' name right. Author also uses Zimmerman.
Third link, Zimmerman is a POS and shouldn't have followed Martin after being instructed not to. Once he did that and Martin began beating him and attempted to disarm him then the shooting was justified.
I asked you to cite cases where the NRA backed someone who did not follow gun safety/CCP safety. You merely provided slanted pieces that state the NRA supports "Stand your ground laws". Apples to Apples, don't compare an orange and an apple and try to tell me they are both peaches.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:06 pm to StrongSafety
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They get territorial there because of how bad the justice system has screwed over Black men, starting from when the industrial prison complex started on 1866
I pray you don't have kids b/c if you do they have almost no shot in life. Who would when the people that raise them tell them from day one that they're being oppressed by the system and there's nothing they can do about it? It's complete bullshite and I feel bad for the kids that get fed this crap.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:13 pm to ElroyJetSon
quote:Just be happy that the system is in place to help you
I pray you don't have kids b/c if you do they have almost no shot in life. Who would when the people that raise them tell them from day one that they're being oppressed by the system and there's nothing they can do about it? It's complete bull shite and I feel bad for the kids that get fed this crap.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:31 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Just be happy that the system is in place to help you
The system was established to protect the white male, specifically of Aryan blood, no doubt. However dismissing the evolution of the system and the steps put in place to resolve the inequalities is being disingenuous. There are systems in place in this country to give the lower class of all races, and minorities a helping hand to eradicate some of the disadvantages between them and the middle/upper class. The system is not perfect, but saying the system and not home and neighborhood culture is the primary causation of the struggles of the American lower class and minority communities is completely false. The hypocrisy many of the middle class, who are taxed rationally inequal to the upper class, cite is that education, betterment, and civic duties which allow for the betterment of oneself and community is disregarded and rather the white man is chastised and cited as the cause.
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