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MENDOZA LINE Futility: 2024 White Sox team BA *.189 * (after 24 Games)
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:06 am
AL Batting Stats
The Chicago White Sox, are now a brutal 3-21 after losing again.
Not only is their pitching getting hammered so far (ERA over 5.00), their bats are comatose, dead-last in the MLB (2.2 Run Per Game)
Collective team average is now well below the Mendoza Line (.189).
AL Team Standard Batting (Is MLB returning to 1968 levels of hitting futility?)
Houston Astros .263
Baltimore Orioles .260
Cleveland Guardians .252
Texas Rangers .251
Tampa Bay Rays .244
Kansas City Royals .239
Los Angeles Angels .239
New York Yankees .236
Boston Red Sox .235
League Average .234
Toronto Blue Jays .232
Seattle Mariners .227
Detroit Tigers .221
Minnesota Twins .212
Oakland Athletics . 202
Chicago White Sox .189
The Chicago White Sox, are now a brutal 3-21 after losing again.
Not only is their pitching getting hammered so far (ERA over 5.00), their bats are comatose, dead-last in the MLB (2.2 Run Per Game)
Collective team average is now well below the Mendoza Line (.189).
AL Team Standard Batting (Is MLB returning to 1968 levels of hitting futility?)
Houston Astros .263
Baltimore Orioles .260
Cleveland Guardians .252
Texas Rangers .251
Tampa Bay Rays .244
Kansas City Royals .239
Los Angeles Angels .239
New York Yankees .236
Boston Red Sox .235
League Average .234
Toronto Blue Jays .232
Seattle Mariners .227
Detroit Tigers .221
Minnesota Twins .212
Oakland Athletics . 202
Chicago White Sox .189
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:11 am to Liberator
Pitchers are really really good. And the White Sox farm system has been awful for years.
Also MLB GM's are trying to find guys that hit for power. The mindset is pitchers are too good to get 3 hits in an inning to score a run so you have to hit doubles/ HRs to score. The downside of that is you strike out a lot and when balls are flying out of the yard, you look awful and comatose. This is what we are seeing across baseball.
The CF/2B who hits for average and 5 HR a year doesn't really exist anymore. Teams would rather have guys that hit .215 with 20 bombs.
I'm not sure I blame them. Pitching has gotten really really good. Every bullpen has guys 97+. Top end starters have 3+ pitchers that are ++. Hitting ain't easy in the big leagues.
Also MLB GM's are trying to find guys that hit for power. The mindset is pitchers are too good to get 3 hits in an inning to score a run so you have to hit doubles/ HRs to score. The downside of that is you strike out a lot and when balls are flying out of the yard, you look awful and comatose. This is what we are seeing across baseball.
The CF/2B who hits for average and 5 HR a year doesn't really exist anymore. Teams would rather have guys that hit .215 with 20 bombs.
I'm not sure I blame them. Pitching has gotten really really good. Every bullpen has guys 97+. Top end starters have 3+ pitchers that are ++. Hitting ain't easy in the big leagues.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:12 am to HottyToddy7
Oakland and Chicago should probably just move down to AAA
What's sad is MLB let's them field rosters with no consequences to how much money they put into that roster
Baseball desperately needs to go to the NFL model and force teams to work with a cap and make it a more competitive league
At this point just skip the regular season and go to playoffs, you know what teams are gonna be there
What's sad is MLB let's them field rosters with no consequences to how much money they put into that roster
Baseball desperately needs to go to the NFL model and force teams to work with a cap and make it a more competitive league
At this point just skip the regular season and go to playoffs, you know what teams are gonna be there
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:19 am to HottyToddy7
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The CF/2B who hits for average and 5 HR a year doesn't really exist anymore. Teams would rather have guys that hit .215 with 20 bombs.
Exactly.
It's all or nothing. The days of old-school fundamentals hit & run, moving guys over, manufacturing 3-run rallies without a 3-run dinger are over.
The obsession with Home Runs seems to be economic for players (Bigger Contract for 20 HRs > .300, 5 HRs), but not for the Game.
Rhetorical question: How have pitchers suddenly become this dominating not to allow hits strung out in one inning?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:24 am to Liberator
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Rhetorical question: How have pitchers suddenly become this dominating not to allow hits strung out in one inning?
I know it is rhetorical but pitchers are getting velo training at a young age. It is a ticking time bomb on the arm but the ones who used to be 83-85 are not 92-94 and the guys who used to be 92-94 are now 97-100. The ones who survive the injury make it to the bigs. The ones who had a dominating 2nd and 3rd pitch become starters. The ones who don't get put in a bullpen.
Do the math. 30 clubs x 10 pitchers = 300 MLB pitchers. Think of all the kids who grow up playing baseball. It is a numbers game. College and the minors are littered with guys that had TJ and never recovered fully, but MLB doesn't really care about that.
I'm sure the downvotes will commence for the injury take but that is just one mans semi-knowledgeable opinion.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:25 am to nicholastiger
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Baseball desperately needs to go to the NFL model and force teams to work with a cap and make it a more competitive league
It might help make MLB more competitive...
....but doesn't a Salary Cap revert the the arrangement back to Owners profiting again $$ billions now at stake) with players back at their mercy as pre-1980s instead of letting market have its way?
MLB seems broken by more than a few metrics.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:29 am to HottyToddy7
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pitchers are getting velo training at a young age.
I think you nailed it.
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It is a ticking time bomb on the arm but the ones who used to be 83-85 are not 92-94 and the guys who used to be 92-94 are now 97-100. The ones who survive the injury make it to the big leagues.
IF these trained fireballers make it to the MLB (and inevitably hurt their arm), advances in surgical repairs and therapeutics and $$$ (including Juice) make the risk negligible.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:32 pm to Liberator
Fun fact: The Mendoza Line is quoted at .200 but his actual career batting average was .215, so the Twins are also below the line.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:34 pm to Liberator
Cardinals offense isn’t much better. They’re 25th overall in OPS.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:33 pm to Liberator
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Not only is their pitching getting hammered so far (ERA over 5.00), their bats are comatose, dead-last in the MLB (2.2 Run Per Game)
Don't forget their fielding is awful, too.
Pedro Grifol needs to be fired. Not that it will make a monumental difference in the W column, but it's only April, and this team already looks checked-out. The fans, too.
When the Sox sucked before, they at least tried to build a nucleus of young talent. No one knows what the hell the plan is now, except scoring a couple billion for a new ballpark.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:14 pm to HottyToddy7
LaTech 's coach was asked about the large number of hit batsmen in CUSA, and said guys are learning how to throw hard, but not necessarily how to pitch.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:25 pm to Liberator
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The Chicago White Sox, are now a brutal 3-21 after losing again.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:26 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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LaTech 's coach was asked about the large number of hit batsmen in CUSA, and said guys are learning how to throw hard, but not necessarily how to pitch.
This is another part of the puzzle.
The past way a pitcher was developed was that they had to pitch competitive baseball without dominant velo. They had to rely on off speed pitches, mainly curve ball and change-up, to keep hitters off balance and fill up the zone to stay ahead of hitters. So when they matured and their body let them have overpowering velo, they knew how to fill up the zone and keep hitters off balance with multiple pitches. They also had "feel". They weren't so mechanically built that they knew how to make adjustments on the fly. Everything wasn't so mechanically driven.
Now days kids have overpowering velo from a younger age. They rely on the fastball only. Off speed is attempted to be developed at a later age. It lags behind. Also pitchers a lot of times have no feel. When they are missing the zone with the fastball, they look towards mechanical issues instead of making natural adjustments.
Example: Kid misses up 4 times in a row. Their mind goes to a list of mechanical issues (plant foot placement, upper body rotation, back hip hinge) instead of mentally just trying to aim lower. This is a result of years of lesson in an environment where every mistake is coached mechanically with no batter or strike zone. I call this "being made in a lab".
You see this across high school and college. You always hear about the guy with crazy velo but can't throw enough strikes. They are recruited because they were seen throwing 90+ in a travel ball tournament on a Saturday with no pressure and offered on the spot.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:28 pm to Liberator
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Houston Astros .263
This is infuriating.
Best Team BA in the AL...with the second worst record in the AL.
Astros keeping some impressive company in the standings considering the worst and 3rd worst records in the AL belong to the worst hitting teams in the AL in Chicago and Oakland.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:33 pm to HottyToddy7
The sad thing is, location and movement are both more important than velocity.
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