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re: Lottery scholarships and college baseball programs
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:31 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:31 pm to ProjectP2294
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But if they were able to give more scholarships, they could keep more of the talent from going pro earlier increasing the level of play and prof
Meh. I don't think lack of scholarship is the reason many guys go pro.
The main reason is for the immediate money and immediate start on their career.
you could be playing in the bigs at age 20-21 if you sign out of high school. You go to college, age 21-22 is when you're just starting the minor leagues and needing about 2 years at least before getting called up. (with the exception of some stud pitchers in college)
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Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:31 pm to Moustache
surprised a bevy of lawsuits havent changed this...
imagine the same restriction on basketball.....in ration to team members....
imagine the same restriction on basketball.....in ration to team members....
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:32 pm to Moustache
It's always been used as an excuse for AL state schools, and why we can't field consistent teams, given the state has a huge baseball fanbase. IDK if it's true. UGA has the HOPE, but they are turrible at baseball.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:32 pm to Moustache
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exactly. I don't think baseball needs more than 11.7 scholarships because it isn't a revenue sport for most schools.
tulane gives 85 in football... cost analysis on that?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:39 pm to AUCE05
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It's always been used as an excuse for AL state schools, and why we can't field consistent teams, given the state has a huge baseball fanbase. I
I mean, it helps, but I don't think that's the reason Auburn and Bama have been inept at baseball. THere's plenty of good in-state talent there. UGA has no excuse to suck. I don't get it. I guess the facilities are just fricking awful there.
The trick to getting good players in baseball though is not recruiting too good. Lots of teams rack up the rankings and have top 10 classes, but if those guys never make it to campus, it doesn't matter.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:43 pm to Moustache
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I don't think lack of scholarship is the reason many guys go pro.
If they didn't have to come out of pocket at all, more would be likely to give school a chance before heading to the minors.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:44 pm to AUCE05
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UGA has the HOPE, but they are turrible at baseball.
That's about to change. Their new coach is legit.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 2:48 pm to ProjectP2294
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That's about to change. Their new coach is legit.
Meh. I like the hire, it's a great hire, but lots of people have had 1 hit wonder years at small programs.
I remember when Auburn's guy was "legit" too. He still hasn't done much.
Tennessee's hire of Dave Serrano, now that's a legit hire. It still remains to be seen how well he's gonna do there.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:01 pm to D011ahbi11
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Tulane gets their players on the legislative scholarships.
Yea, it can be a big advantage but the requirements to get that scholarship are pretty tough.
Not really, I was in the barbershop a few months back and they had a story on the news about this. There were multiple players on them, from legislators that aren't even in their district.
If a state rep doesn't have anyone in their district eligible, they ask Tulane if they know of any one that could use the scholarship. In both cases, that the reporter looked at, they were given to members of Tulane's baseball team.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:08 pm to Moustache
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lots of people have had 1 hit wonder years at small programs.
So lots of people have hired coaches that have direct ties to their main recruiting areas and also have CWS experience?
The guy they hired was an assistant at GaTech before he was at Kent St. He's not just some random.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:21 pm to TigerintheNO
28 on the ACT is one of the requirements, I believe. As far as I know that's pretty tough.
Eta: and yes there are multiple players on the team with them. Often times those kids aren't really good baseball players, but Tulane takes them because they've had trouble getting a full 35 man roster and these kids get to go there for free without using a baseball scholarship. They provide some depth and maybe you get lucky and he develops into something more.
Eta: and yes there are multiple players on the team with them. Often times those kids aren't really good baseball players, but Tulane takes them because they've had trouble getting a full 35 man roster and these kids get to go there for free without using a baseball scholarship. They provide some depth and maybe you get lucky and he develops into something more.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 3:55 pm to ProjectP2294
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The guy they hired was an assistant at GaTech before he was at Kent St. He's not just some random.
I know. But the fact remains he only had really one good year as a head coach.
He was a great hire and the best hire UGA could've made based on who is available. He didn't finish up recruiting very well last year, but that's not fair to judge him on that.
Still doesn't mean he's gonna have success. That remains to be seen. Although, there's no reason (aside from lack of support from the AD and fans) that UGA baseball should suck.
Plus, GT and UGA really go after different baseball recruits. It's weird since they're so close, but rarely do they ever really battle over a guy. Atlanta, Cobb, and Gwinnett counties seem to belong to Tech and UGA gets the northern and southern part of the state, plus Columbus for some reason.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 4:27 pm to D011ahbi11
I'm not sure who on Tulane's team is on the that type of scholarships, but there are multiple players. If they are able to get one it is a better deal than getting a partial baseball deal, Tulane isn't cheap.
As far as not being good ball players, Tulane really doesn't have a good baseball program any more. Since the Katrina year of 2005-2006, they have only made post season once; I believe that was a half dozen years ago.
As far as not being good ball players, Tulane really doesn't have a good baseball program any more. Since the Katrina year of 2005-2006, they have only made post season once; I believe that was a half dozen years ago.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 5:20 pm to TigerintheNO
I'm not sure of all the guys on it this season, but I saw the list of them last year and there were a couple of guys who wouldn't have gotten a sniff at a real baseball scholarship from Tulane otherwise.
And you can believe what you want about the Tulane program. I'll admit they've struggled, but they've had some bad luck with injuries and IMO really getting screwed out of an Ncaa bid a couple times. If you think they haven't had talent I'm going to guess you don't keep up with the team.
The talent may be down, but they don't have a bunch of bad
baseball players.
Had a couple top 10 round picks and had another who dropped past there because of an injury last year.
They also brought in a top 25 recruiting class this year.
And you can believe what you want about the Tulane program. I'll admit they've struggled, but they've had some bad luck with injuries and IMO really getting screwed out of an Ncaa bid a couple times. If you think they haven't had talent I'm going to guess you don't keep up with the team.
The talent may be down, but they don't have a bunch of bad
baseball players.
Had a couple top 10 round picks and had another who dropped past there because of an injury last year.
They also brought in a top 25 recruiting class this year.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 2/5/14 at 5:27 pm to D011ahbi11
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but they've had some bad luck with
with no more university college too...
Posted on 2/5/14 at 5:31 pm to Moustache
Louisiana also has legislative scholarships
Posted on 2/5/14 at 5:31 pm to choupiquesushi
They do have the School of Continuing Studies now, which is the same thing really. They can only take so many classes there, I honestly don't know if that was the case with the University College.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 5:42 pm to Enfuego
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Louisiana also has legislative scholarships
tulane
Posted on 2/5/14 at 5:42 pm to D011ahbi11
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They do have the School of Continuing Studies now, which is the same thing really. They can only take so many classes there, I honestly don't know if that was the case with the University College.
at a certain point it was limited... but largely no..
Posted on 2/5/14 at 6:18 pm to choupiquesushi
One aspect of this that I don't think gets noticed is how hard it makes it for a kid to go out of state to play baseball. If Louisiana has 8 SEC caliber players in a given year and LSU only offers 5 of them a spot, the MSU, Ole Miss and Alabamas of the world can't just scoop them up like they do in football. Those 3 kids are much more likely to end up at a La Tech or ULL type school unless the parents can afford a big chunk of out of state tuition.
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