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re: LHSAA votes - how will it go?

Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:07 pm to
Posted by shaqtaw
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:07 pm to
that isn’t the issue. The issue is that the first year in some schools is 8th grade or before, when no one makes varsity anyway. Make kids sit out 9th grade if they’re out of zone

I totally agree with you.

Posted by ProfFrink
Springfield
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:32 pm to
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see the downvotes l. I would like to know why a kid should be able to play out of zone the first year at a school.


A kid has been going to a private school since kindergarten. Let’s say living in Port Allen but always went to St John. Now that kid can’t play as a freshman.

That not fair in any sense to the kid
Posted by shaqtaw
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 7:39 pm to
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kid has been going to a private school since kindergarten. Let’s say living in Port Allen but always went to St John. Now that kid can’t play as a freshman.

That not fair in any sense to the kid


This thinking is the reason for the split. You have to think of all the kids not just this one kid that doesn’t want to go to school in his zone.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 5:43 am to
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I see the downvotes l. I would like to know why a kid should be able to play out of zone the first year at a school.


Because the attendance zones for private schools are complete LHSAA fabrications. They have no correlation with the population that actually attend that school.

This rule will also apply magnets, charters, etc. If your kid gets into a magnet based on academic performance, he/she will most likely be punished by not being eligible for a year.

It is going kill JV teams (especially in girls sports) at a lot of places.
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 5:49 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 5:45 am to
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You have to think of all the kids not just this one kid that doesn’t want to go to school in his zone.


Hysterically hypocritical.

“Think of all the kids” doesn’t equal taking eligibility away from kids who will never go to public school.
Posted by ProfFrink
Springfield
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 5:48 am to
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This thinking is the reason for the split.


The thinking for the split is because principals wanted an easy way to win a state title.

Why punish a kid who was never going to go to Port Allen

Why punish St. Mary's and label them as select when nearly every kid they have lives in their "school zone" while you let public schools as non-select that have students from multiple school zones (Alexandria, Shreveport and NOLA public schools)
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 6:00 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 6:27 am to
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Why punish St. Mary's and label them as select when nearly every kid they have lives in their "school zone" while you let public schools as non-select that have students from multiple school zones (Alexandria, Shreveport and NOLA public schools)


Correct but those schools in Caddo, Alexandria, and Orleans will also have thousands of 9th graders ineligible if this holds because the LHSAA again places these fabricated attendance zones on them when that simply isn’t reality.

The public schools that push this stuff are becoming extinct. Traditional school zones are fading all over the country and more and more jurisdictions are moving to open enrollment systems like what we have in New Orleans. Louisiana principals have to start evolving their thinking.

Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 6:41 am to
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is going kill JV teams (especially in girls sports) at a lot of places.
that’s another thing. Nobody thinks JV and freshman games count, so let’s remove some of the restrictions for kids to participate
Posted by ProfFrink
Springfield
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 6:52 am to
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Correct but those schools in Caddo, Alexandria, and Orleans will also have thousands of 9th graders ineligible if this holds because the LHSAA again places these fabricated attendance zones on them when that simply isn’t reality.


I totally agree. Sadly most public school principals lack the intelligence or foresight to understand what they vote in.

Make no mistake, this is done to try and hurt private schools when they don’t realize the would hurt their own.

Whole association is almost beyond broken at this point.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 7:06 am to
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Nobody thinks JV and freshman games count, so let’s remove some of the restrictions for kids to participate



That was already the rule. Prior to this new change, first year students (7, 8, or 9th) were eligible for Freshman or JV even if they were ineligible for Varsity. The Northern public schools are the ones that pushed this Executive Committee change to strip this eligibility.

We will know by 11:00 am today whether it’s going to be the rule or if the Principals vote it down..
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 7:43 am to
antonio, the N Vermillion proposal has the most support and could pass. Class B and C hold the cards from what I gather.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 8:45 am to
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Because the attendance zones for private schools are complete LHSAA fabrications.


I'd like to see them go away completely. Why do we need an attendance zone for the LHSAA?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 8:49 am to
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quote:
Because the attendance zones for private schools are complete LHSAA fabrications.


I'd like to see them go away completely. Why do we need an attendance zone for the LHSAA?

several attendance/residency rules need to be streamlined... such as little johnnie's parents are not capable of housing him so he moves to another town with grandma - but mom won't sign over custody cuz she likes getting checks for little johnnie.. so.. little johnnie is not eligible...
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:30 am to
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Class B and C hold the cards from what I gather.
so “schools” like Central of Jonesville and idk, Johnson Bayou?

They probably exist for the sole purpose of being extra votes at the LHSAA
Posted by wizziko
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:34 am to
Jim Derry is live tweeting from the meeting today - LINK

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There are multiple proposals to remove the split, and each would take a 2/3rds vote to pass. As we go, if 1 passes, the rest are moot. We'll explain as we go, but if the first 1 fails, it doesn't mean chance to get back together is done. @AdvocateSports @nolaprep @VSNLouisiana
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:41 am to
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They probably exist for the sole purpose of being extra votes at the LHSAA
they exist because those communities want their small local school to remain viable and not bus their kids 5-10-15 miles down the road... or like grand isle... where if a kid wants to play football he goes to south lafourche...(jefferson to lafourche parish ironic...)
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:49 am to
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they exist because those communities want their small local school to remain viable
well sorry, it’s not.

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or like grand isle... where if a kid wants to play football he goes to south lafourche...(jefferson to lafourche parish ironic...)
so that’s what, 1 kid every four years? And if that’s not athletic reasons what is?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:03 am to
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several attendance/residency rules need to be streamlined... such as little johnnie's parents are not capable of housing him so he moves to another town with grandma - but mom won't sign over custody cuz she likes getting checks for little johnnie.. so.. little johnnie is not eligible...



The state of LA does real well with domicile rules... maybe LHSAA can learn from them
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30788 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:11 am to
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or like grand isle... where if a kid wants to play football he goes to south lafourche...(jefferson to lafourche parish ironic...)
so that’s what, 1 kid every four years? And if that’s not athletic reasons what is?
heck. it's one of their more recent D1 signees... but yes same for kids in other parishes/places.. many/winnfield but within the parish.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30788 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:12 am to
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The state of LA does real well with domicile rules... maybe LHSAA can learn from them
fear has been that it will be abused.. but every other loophole/rule is abused.. if parents have enough money to "establish" new domicile and fake like they are selling old house... all is well.. move back right after season
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