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LeBron's post game
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:29 pm
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:30 pm to imraged
not a frick was givin'
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:34 pm to imraged
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James, mechanical though he can appear, has 160 post-up possessions to his name this season, shooting 52.4 percent, drawing a shooting foul 8.8 percent of the time and scoring at least a single point on over half the plays. Better yet, he scores 1.03 points per post-up, which ranks him 19th in the league.
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For comparison’s sake, Bryant, in an offense built around versatile players who can operate in the post, has 300 post-ups, but he is ranked 39th in the league scoring 0.97 points per possession, while getting to the free-throw line 1.5 percent less. Effectively, for every 100 possessions, James scores six more points than Bryant.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:48 pm to BayouBengals03
Just read the whole write-up. Pretty good stuff.
Could be fun to watch.
As of right now, LeBron still relies on his athletic ability for many of this post up possessions. The quick spin moves, the face-up blow by, etc. However, even when his athleticism declines, that doesn't mean his physical advantage will. He'll still be a really big dude compared to others at his position (assuming he's not strictly a PF being guarded by other PFs), so he can still shoulder people and use his strength to get closer to the basket.
Although the spin move and other moves that rely mostly on his athleticism might not be as good down the road, the face-up rhythm jumper, the running hook, the drop step move, etc. will all be moves that Lebron will be capable of doing into his mid-30s, assuming he can keep improving on them.
The biggest myth about LeBron: He has no post game. Hopefully that myth will be put to bed. He's just an all-around really special player. No doubt the best player in the world.
If he can keep an all-around game into the later stages of his career, I have no doubts that he will go down as a top 3 player in the history of the game. Maybe, dare I say, the best.
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“That’s something he wants to make a part of his game,” Fizdale said. “But once he gets it, that’s going to be one of those [moves] people will be teaching other kids down the line. Where people say, ‘Man, The LeBron James running hook.’”
Could be fun to watch.
As of right now, LeBron still relies on his athletic ability for many of this post up possessions. The quick spin moves, the face-up blow by, etc. However, even when his athleticism declines, that doesn't mean his physical advantage will. He'll still be a really big dude compared to others at his position (assuming he's not strictly a PF being guarded by other PFs), so he can still shoulder people and use his strength to get closer to the basket.
Although the spin move and other moves that rely mostly on his athleticism might not be as good down the road, the face-up rhythm jumper, the running hook, the drop step move, etc. will all be moves that Lebron will be capable of doing into his mid-30s, assuming he can keep improving on them.
The biggest myth about LeBron: He has no post game. Hopefully that myth will be put to bed. He's just an all-around really special player. No doubt the best player in the world.
If he can keep an all-around game into the later stages of his career, I have no doubts that he will go down as a top 3 player in the history of the game. Maybe, dare I say, the best.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:57 pm to BayouBengals03
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Maybe, dare I say, the best
LeBron will never have a better career than Jordan, Kobe, or Magic.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:03 pm to GamecockAlum
Probably not going strictly by championships, but Jordan is the only one of those 3 who didn't benefit by playing for one of the GOAT franchises in any sport.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:04 pm to GamecockAlum
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:06 pm to BayouBengals03
From a resume standpoint I doubt that anyone ever will surpass Jordan but I do believe LeBron could be practically even skill-wise in a couple of years.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:08 pm to TulaneTigerFan
No point in arguing with him on this. Literally the only thing Kobe will have on LeBron will be championships. And if LeBron wins 2 or 3, then that advantage will be close to negated.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:09 pm to GamecockAlum
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LeBron will never have a better career than Jordan, Kobe, or Magic.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:11 pm to imraged
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From a resume standpoint I doubt that anyone ever will surpass Jordan but I do believe LeBron could be practically even skill-wise in a couple of years.
People's immortal superhero perspective of Jordan won't allow it to happen. However, I truly believe it COULD be one of those deals where 50 years from now, people look back and say "You know, LeBron was actually probably better than Jordan."
But that won't happen any time soon. Jordan is the GOAT right now, and will be viewed as that no matter what LeBron/Kobe/anyone else does in the next 20 years.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:14 pm to BayouBengals03
LeBron won't have a better career than Kobe. Don't know wtf you're smoking. He might put up some ridiculous numbers, but the championships he "leads" won't match up to Kobe's. This Heat stigma will stick with him for a while. I'll say though he is the most gifted athlete the NBA has ever seen, and he is a phenomenal basketball player. He just will never be a top 3 or hell even top 5 NBA player. He is a grade A douchebag! He is weak in character, and he buckles when the going gets tough. Shelly will respond to this thread around 3 am after the rest of the working world is fast asleep.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:14 pm to Louie T
Kobe has been the best perimeter player for the last 11 years. He's been the catalyst for a team that has been to 3 straight Finals and won the last 2 at the age of 30 and 31. Dude is already a top 6 all time scorer and will in the top 5 by the all-star break next year and will probably enter the top 4 in his career and if he wants to play long enough and can stay healthy, he has chance to pass Jordan for 3rd all-time.
Respect the Mamba.
Respect the Mamba.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:17 pm to UnluckyTiger
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LeBron won't have a better career than Kobe. Don't know wtf you're smoking. He might put up some ridiculous numbers, but the championships he "leads" won't match up to Kobe's
So the 2 championships Kobe has been the major player in will outweigh everything LeBron does? Good to know.
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He just will never be a top 3 or hell even top 5 NBA player.
Not top 5? Interesting take.
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He is a grade A douchebag!
So Kobe can be a grad a douchebag and be a top 3 player ever, but Lebron can't. Got it.
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Shelly will respond to this thread around 3 am after the rest of the working world is fast asleep.
Fact. And he'll likely have an intelligent response.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:19 pm to GamecockAlum
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Kobe has been the best perimeter player for the last 11 years.
As for everything else you said, LeBron will likely pass Kobe in all of those categories assuming he stays healthy. Obviously, the championships are not a given, as he will likely not win 5.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:20 pm to BayouBengals03
I think Kobe is scum, but he doesn't buckle under pressure. Perhaps I should've worded my response differently regarding LeBron. He is WEAK mentally. He doesn't have the "take over" factor. Kobe, as much as a piece of shite I think he is, has a killer instinct on the court. He doesn't shy away from the spotlight and he has an insane work ethic. He WANTS to be the best and has been the BEST. When the hell has LeBron ever showed anything close to this?
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:25 pm to BayouBengals03
However, UnluckyTiger's post proves why Lebron will not have a better career than Kobe to most people. Whether the reasoning is logical or not, a lot of people would just refuse to rank Lebron that high all-time. Another thing is that it could be hard for Lebron to fix his image and he would definitely need to win multiple championships (probably 3 or more) to potentially be considered ahead of Kobe on the all-time list. I know you will respond with facts that prove how great Lebron is, but the fact of the matter is to most people Kobe will be greater, just like Rose is the people's MVP. Unless the response is misinterpreted, then what I am saying is hard to argue with because I feel like more people want to put Kobe over Lebron on the all-time list, so they will, regardless of statistical implications. To me, this is just like when people rank Magic and Bird right with one another because they were fantastic rivals who were the two best players in the league for a good while. To me, Bird falls a bit short compared to Magic, but their rivalry pairs them, especially in terms of comparing their great careers.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:26 pm to UnluckyTiger
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I think Kobe is scum, but he doesn't buckle under pressure.
Maybe not. But let's not pretend he is the clutchest player in the game.
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He doesn't shy away from the spotlight and he has an insane work ethic. He WANTS to be the best and has been the BEST. When the hell has LeBron ever showed anything close to this?
Wanting to be the best =/= being the best.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:27 pm to UnluckyTiger
I don't understand the mentality that Lebron doesn't have the "takeover factor", when he had one of the most dominant playoff "takovers" of the past few decades.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:29 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I know you will respond with facts that prove how great Lebron is, but the fact of the matter is to most people Kobe will be greater, just like Rose is the people's MVP.
I don't believe this to be true at all. I think most experts will consider LeBron as the better player, when all is said and done.
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To me, this is just like when people rank Magic and Bird right with one another because they were fantastic rivals who were the two best players in the league for a good while. To me, Bird falls a bit short compared to Magic, but their rivalry pairs them, especially in terms of comparing their great careers.
They are mentioned together because they came along at the same time and they were rivals, like you said.
But it's not that hard to figure out who the better player between the two was.
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