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re: Lebron's biggest failure --- he hasn't played on an historically great team

Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:54 am to
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:54 am to
Because only rings matter until they don't matter, shel.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:56 am to
at you for not including the 66 win Miami Heat team he was on.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:04 am to
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There is no objective measure that can support this stance.


1 Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
5. Larry Bird
6. Lebron James

This is the travel era.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:12 am to
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Because the 14 Spurs ANNIHILATED everyone in the playoffs.

14 Spurs lost 7 games in the playoffs.

The 66 win Heat team lost...7 games in the playoffs.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:12 am to
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Heat needed 7 games against a 49-32 Indiana team.

I think someone forgot that that '14 Spurs team went 7 games in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Posted by hoopsgalore
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:15 am to
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2. Bill Russell

This is the travel era.


How would you define the era Bill Russell played in?
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:20 am to
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Because the 14 Spurs ANNIHILATED everyone in the playoffs.


quote:

Heat needed 7 games against a 49-32 Indiana team.


I know it's already been pointed out but I can't stop laughing at how contradictory this is. And you made these posts 1 minute apart
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:23 am to
great players make those around them great

MJ pulled Scotty Pippen into top 50 players
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:29 am to
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Duncan - 14 Spurs



I wouldn't necessarily say the 14 Spurs were a historically great team.

But I will say they played the best basketball I have ever seen in the 14 Finals against the Heat.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:31 am to
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Also, I would never call a Jesus Shuttlesworth-made 3 "fluky."



Kobe/shaq had to have this happen

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:37 am to
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great players make those around them great

MJ pulled Scotty Pippen into top 50 players


Damn. Jordan was so good he pulled Scottie Pippen to a 3rd place MVP and the Bulls to 55 wins while he was playing baseball.

Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:46 am to
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great players make those around them great


Also, if this is your argument, can there be any doubt that LeBron has been phenomenal at doing just this?? He's WAY more of a teammate than MJ was; he's constantly getting other players involved and can be a Magic-level point guard when he needs/wants to. He single-handedly DRAGGED a team of NOBODIES to the Finals in 07 at age 22. He's made Kyrie and Love into winners when they didn't win shyte before without him. And oh by the way, anyone who was actually paying attention will tell you that he was the clear alpha on those Heat teams. D Wade was injured and not nearly as productive as he used to be most of the time, and yeah, Bosh was an all star and a great compliment to LeBron, but still was basically Pippen-level.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:51 am to
Definitely the dumbest thread of the week on all of TD.

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97/93 Bulls
not historic. Seems like 97 bulls were behind in the Finals

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Bird - 86 Celtics
Not even as good as the 87 Celtics that lost the Finals, also not as good as 84 Celtics

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Duncan - 14 Spurs
No words for how stupid this is

quote:

Moses - 83 Sixers
Dr J- 83 Sixers
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38818 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:52 am to
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Damn. Jordan was so good he pulled Scottie Pippen to a 3rd place MVP and the Bulls to 55 wins while he was playing baseball.



Taught the man how to win through example
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:00 am to
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Taught the man how to win through example



Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:00 am to
A guy in my office just said he likes LeBron but he's not a good defender.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:52 pm to
1. he will never get credit for the 3-1 comeback. Everyone knows that if Green plays in game 6, while Bogut is still playing, the W's are at least 50/50 to finish it off.

2. He famously did not contribute in crunch time in losses.

If he gets hot on a roll, there is no one like him. But several players over the past 75 years have had the intestinal fortitude to play their best when the game was on the line.

He is not in the top tier for courage under fire. He's just not.

Russell
Barry
Pettit
Cousy
MJ


Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8186 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:55 pm to
Pretty sure Lebron has the best productivity in history in elimination games and game 7's
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:57 pm to
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He is not in the top tier for courage under fire. He's just not.

This is the stupidest thing currently believed by a large portion of sports fans.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:57 pm to
It's spoken like someone who gets their sports opinions from the internet. Read a bad opinion and repeat it like it's a fact.

ETA: I'm convinced that half the people that have all of these hot takes don't watch the games.
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