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re: Kevin Love: overhyped, media-driven sensation?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:57 am to rocket31
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:57 am to rocket31
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youd rather have a guy who has yet to play a second of a regular season NBA game over one of the top 10 players in the league
We are talking about the guy who just went #1 in the draft right? There are "experts" who obviously have the same view as I do.
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MSB logic at its finest
Exactly. Some rust belt douchebag who likes to chime in on every topic as if his opinion is the only point of view of value. Wiggins potential is elite and if you let him develop next to LeBron you have, at worst, the best perimeter wing tandem in the NBA. He has the skill set to be a top 3 player in the league. It isn't a no brainer decision by any means.
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:57 am to eyeran
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Then when they miss out, its because his teammates suck.
That'll happen when your GM takes ricky rubio and jonny flynn ahead of steph curry, signs Darko for 4 years/$20 million, takes wesley johnson ahead of Boogie and Greg Monroe and then trades johnson (along with a first round pick) two years later for a pair of 2nd rounders (SAVY), oh yeah and trading Al Jefferson for cap space.
His teammates, coaches, and ownership have not just been bad, they've been historically bad.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:57 am to LSU Piston
quote:He's better than Love regardless of this.
As I said before, let's see how your opinion of Anthony Davis changes if the Pelicans miss out on the playoffs for a couple more years. Or will it?
Whatever he lacks on offense, he more than makes up for on defense.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:59 am to rocket31
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Wiggins looked very *blendy* in his summer league games...and his defense was even questionable
Go back and look at what people were saying about Durant after his first summer league.
I seriously can't believe this tards is throwing at lol's with these weak arse arguments.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:59 am to shel311
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He's better than Love regardless of this.
Whatever he lacks on offense, he more than makes up for on defense.
So Love is overrated because his team stinks.
But if Davis misses out on the playoffs the next few years its cool?
K.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:59 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Well I think statistically, it's hard to argue he's anything other than the 3rd best player in the game. BUt I don't think he's the 3rd best player in the game, hence the slightly overrated part.
I think his teammates just blow. Minnesota won 40 games in a brutal Western conference.
quote:Not a great comparison, it's only been 2 years, 1 full, healthy year. But like I mentioned, I think Davis is better, regardless of both of their situations, being on crappy teams.
Is Anthony Davis overrated, since his teams have blown arse so far?
quote:Pretty much.
I think both Davis and Love are the best power forwards in the game (obviously) and appropriately at somewhere around the top five to eight players in the game or so.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:01 am to LSU Piston
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He's better than Love regardless of this.
Whatever he lacks on offense, he more than makes up for on defense.
So Love is overrated because his team stinks.
But if Davis misses out on the playoffs the next few years its cool?
K.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:03 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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you could make the argument he's not giving enough effort defensively as he's a poor on ball defender, too.
The T-Wolves were 11 points better per 100 possessions last season with Love on the court compared to having him on the bench. The closest player I could find to that was Aldridge at +10.2
LeBron - +6.4
Durant - +6.2
Griffin - +8.9
Paul - +9.6
Harden - +7.3
Dirk - +6.3
Howard - +6.3
Paul George - +6.2
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:03 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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I think both Davis and Love are the best power forwards in the game (obviously)
LaMarcus Aldridge is better than Kevin Love. He shoots 50% and actually plays defense.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:03 am to HeadyBrosevelt
I don't think anyone in the NBA right now can do what he can as an all around player. There may be a couple guys with more rebounds, there may be a few guys with more ppg, may be a few big men that shoot as well as he does, but name someone that does ALL these things at the very top level. Maybe Nowitzki a few years back.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:04 am to HeadyBrosevelt
He's a rebound machine and prolific scorer. I don't see how he can be overrated.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:08 am to KingBeingking
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I don't think anyone in the NBA right now can do what he can as an all around player
quote:Both comments are completely ignoring one side of the game, half of the game if you will.
He's a rebound machine and prolific scorer. I don't see how he can be overrated.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:09 am to KingBeingking
I think he's overrated if people think that Cleveland wins a championship because of his addition. Even with him they need more.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:09 am to SPEEDY
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Why Wolves haven't won
The biggest Love criticism isn't defense. It's his team's record.
"Love is so overrated," one NBA executive told Insider's Jeff Goodman last week. "He's never won."
As bad as the Timberwolves have been overall, they have been worse without Love. As the chart at right shows, according to NBA.com/Stats, without Love on the floor, Minnesota has been outscored by at least 4.7 points per 100 possessions -- a mark equivalent to last season's Detroit Pistons -- in five of his six seasons. The only exception was 2012-13, when Love was limited to 18 games after breaking a bone in his hand during training camp.
Last season, the Timberwolves outscored opponents by 4.4 points per 100 possessions with Love on the floor, a mark similar to the Miami Heat with Ray Allen, for one. They were done in by their poor bench -- exacerbated by Adelman playing his starters together, which inflated their ratings at the expense of reserves -- and a historic inability to win close games. Minnesota finished with the league's 10th-best point differential, which would have ranked fourth in the East.
Even discounting those issues, the Timberwolves' combination of a high-rated star and a below-.500 finish was rare but not unprecedented. Love joined five other examples since the ABA-NBA merger, including Michael Jordan twice, of a player posting 20-plus wins above replacement player for a sub-.500 team.
While Jordan's Bulls grew into a contender later in his career (his appearances above came in his first and third seasons), Barkley, Garnett and Malone enjoyed newfound team success after changing uniforms. Malone and Garnett both won championships in their first season with their new teams, while Barkley's Suns reached the Finals in his first season. Barkley and Malone both were named MVP the year after their trades, and Garnett finished third in the voting.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:10 am to Goldrush25
quote:They may not be the best team in the NBA, but I'd set them as the favorite, definitely.
I think he's overrated if people think that Cleveland wins a championship because of his addition. Even with him they need more.
But yea, Lebron/Love/Irving isn't on par with Lebron/Bosh/Wade, and even with 2 titles, it certainly wasn't easy. Toronto Bosh and current Love are pretty close, but the difference betwween Wade and Irving, big gulf there.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:17 am to shel311
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Both comments are completely ignoring one side of the game, half of the game if you will.
I see you bounced around my post.
If Anthony Davis is better than Kevin Love (doing it on both sides of the ball, as you put it), what is his excuse for not making the playoffs THIS year (2014-2015)??
Because (using your logic), if he is better, with a better supporting cast, he has less/no excuses, right??
thx
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:19 am to LSU Piston
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what is his excuse for not making the playoffs THIS year (2014-2015)??
Injuries to Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:21 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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Injuries to Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson.
quote:
what is his excuse for not making the playoffs THIS year (2014-2015)??
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:22 am to LSU Piston
Misread that.
If the team is healthy and doesn't make the playoffs, it will all be on Monty Williams.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:22 am to shel311
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half of the game if you will.
I'd take a rebounder with mediocre defense and great scoring ability over someone who can play defense and is mediocre in rebounding and scoring. Rebounding leads to more points for you and less for your opponent.
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