re: Kaep didn't vote. Stephen A. took slight exception.

I get that "he didn't make his voice herad"

But voting doesn't make your voice heard, unless you actually agree with a candidate.

it changes your voice to something else. At least at this point.

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I get that "he didn't make his voice herad"

But voting doesn't make your voice heard, unless you actually agree with a candidate.

it changes your voice to something else. At least at this point.

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The way he acted makes it seem like voting is not important because oppression cannot be overcome. Telling young people that look up to you that voting isn't important is disgusting. Why are you fighting for change and then telling people it's not worth fighting for?

Anyone who fought for the right to vote would be ashamed of him for spreading that message to those that see him as a hero.

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What percentage should you agree with a candidate?

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More than the other options.

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I am not a huge BLM fan, but if thats what you are all about, and you feel that way, it is probably a huge portion of what you are looking for in a candidate.

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There wasn't an overtly pro BLM candidate. But the idea that there was no difference is something I suspect the supporters of both major candidates would strongly disagree with.

Although I think there are some well intentioned people in BLM I don't think they have either a coherent message or an understanding of how to solve problems in the real world. With that bias I am really not surprised that a member of the BLM was too absolutist about his beliefs to accept anything less than 100% compliance with all of his beliefs. People who are at either end of political belief spectrum tend not to understand or respect the political beliefs of other groups.

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So you are saying if i agree with a guy 0% and another guy 1% i should endorse someone i disagree 99% with because I need to vote?

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Do you really think there was a 1% difference in beliefs and policies advocated by the two candidates?

If you do then fine but I can't see how you would feel that way.

Not voting is the smartest thing you can do.

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“If voting made a difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”

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1. Voting only validates the failing system. By casting a vote, you’re telling politicians you accept things the way they are

2. Voting for a lesser of two evils — which the largest swath of the voting public will do today — equates an acceptance of evil

3. Are you pro-war? Do you want young Americans to travel abroad to kill other nations’ civilians, and be killed themselves, for hegemonic usurpation of natural resources for the profit of government welfare-backed corporations, Big Banks, and industries?

4. Voting is state-sponsored force. In every nation, and particularly the U.S., people have stark differences in values, religion, beliefs, ideology, culture — the list is endless. By casting a ballot, you’re forcing your specific set of beliefs onto everyone — whether or not they agree.

5. Presidential candidates are advertisers — they excel at propagandizing themselves as a tidy package of promises — but they rarely, if ever, follow through.

6. When you vote, the establishment wins. Always. In fact, the establishment’s only interest is self-preservation.


16. If you don’t vote, the irate masses warn, you aren’t fulfilling your civic duty — but the masses are simply stuck in the delusion that voting matters and don’t grasp the concept of coercive force. In no way is it your duty to impose your views on anyone by voting for this farcical system enriching the few at the cost of oppressing the many. Ire against non-voters only evidences exactly this point.
Further, the choice to not vote isn’t a privilege of a particular race, despite claims to the contrary. Telling someone you don’t have the luxury of abstaining from the election shows an absurd ignorance of the mechanisms of our system of governance. No matter who sits at the helm, the stratification of wealth will continue, the militarization of police will intensify, and legislators will write into law policies benefiting the upper crust.

17. Refusing to vote gives you both a clean conscience — and the right to complain.

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There's more at the link

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its a hypothetical. Pushing the idea to the limit of reason to see if it holds up.

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Almost all ideas fall apart in extremis. But I don't think any reasonable person would think that was the issue we were discussing.

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I think you can be wrong in any number of ways

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Of course

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If you think both are wrong, why endorse 1 over the other.

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The two major candidates were both very unappealing but... with their variety of positions on a variety of issues it seems like a near statistical impossibility for an individual voter not to be able to think through a rational choice.

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If you hate all candidates I still wouldn't tell your young fans that voting isn't important.

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Exactly

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Stephen A is just mad Trump won

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Hasn't Stephen A admitted to being a republican?

Well said by SAS.

Also, frick Kaep

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Make America White again

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From Stephen A's mouth yesterday. He didn't like Trump and even if he is Republican, that doesn't mean he is required to vote that way