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re: Just a pic of Jameis having to be restrained by a cop tonight
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:12 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:12 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:I disagree, the pitcher would have fielded the ball cleanly and been able to either toss it to first or apply a tag before he could get to first. And to respond to your earlier post, calling someone numbnuts on a message board qualifies being upset in my book
Seriously? How would he have probably gotten out? The pitcher dropped the ground ball before contact was ever even made. He would have very CLEARLY been safe if he had run in foul territory in the designated running lane.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:12 am to Choupique19
I guess I have to repost this.
It's really not debatable. Even by your own words, the runner was not within the running lane.
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Rule 6.05
A batter is out when— (k) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball
is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or
inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes
with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead;
except that he may run outside (to the right of) the three-foot line or inside (to the
left of) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;
Rule 6.05(k) Comment: The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a
batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the
immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
It's really not debatable. Even by your own words, the runner was not within the running lane.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:14 am to TheOcean
quote:
I don't feel like looking up the rules, but it is clear that the fielder had an opportunity to field the ball
Good thing, because the "rules" state that just because he bobbles it doesn't mean his protection as a fielder ends.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
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I disagree, the pitcher would have fielded the ball cleanly and been able to either toss it to first or apply a tag before he could get to first.
How can you disagree with that? It wasn't an opinion. The ball was already dropped before contact was made. The runner even kicked the ball with his foot before making contact with the pitcher. This isn't even slightly debatable.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:17 am to Choupique19
quote:I see your rule. I also have watched a ton of baseball and every single runner is taught to run on the inside of the dirt straddling the grass when they bunt in order to make it harder for the catcher to throw them out. I see them called out 1 out of 100 times. Usually, the runner isnt called out unless he is in the grass. And in this case, i only saw the runner have one step in the grass and it was before contact. I feel that 9 out of 10 times the runner is going to be called safe here, just as he was last night
The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a
batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:18 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:Do you think maybe, just maybe, the pitcher dropped the ball because he had a guy barreling at him? Maybe a possibility? Maybe? Possibly?
How can you disagree with that? It wasn't an opinion. The ball was already dropped before contact was made. The runner even kicked the ball with his foot before making contact with the pitcher. This isn't even slightly debatable.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:20 am to brgfather129
quote:The also state that you have to touch a bag for a runner to be out. I guess we need to go over turn those 1,000,000,000 double plays that never happened. Look, there is no need for everyone to really argue anymore. We clearly see it differently
because the "rules" state
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:27 am to lsupride87
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I see them called out 1 out of 100 times
Why were they called out? Oh, because it's the rule.
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Usually, the runner isnt called out unless he is in the grass. And in this case, i only saw the runner have one step in the grass
So you admit runners aren't usually called out unless they are in the grass, and then admit that the FSU runner had a foot in the grass, yet you still say he should not be called out?
Every single umpire that sees the replay of that will say that the runner should have been called out. I can understand missing the call in live action, but we are discussing this play with video evidence.
It is cut and dry. The runner should be out.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:32 am to Choupique19
quote:I said earlier by the rule yes the runner is out. However, i believe he will be called safe 9 out of 10 times in an actual game. Do we need to break down a video of all the double plays in which the fielder whiffs on second base yet the runner is called out? So yes, by the rules the runner is out. And yes the runner could have avoided contact. But i do not think what he did was either that malicious, and i also think he made the play that gave him the best opportunity to be called safe. I also stated last night that when i was in college, i would have prolly reacted the same way the UF first baseman did, but that doesnt make him right. Can we all get along now?
It is cut and dry. The runner should be out.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:36 am to lsupride87
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Can we all get along now?
What's the fun in that? Dang it, now I need to go find a UL thread somewhere.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:39 am to lsupride87
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Usually, the runner isnt called out unless he is in the grass. And in this case, i only saw the runner have one step in the grass and it was before contact. I feel that 9 out of 10 times the runner is going to be called safe here, just as he was last night
I guess in my instance at least, I'm not arguing the same thing. I'm not trying to say he should have been called out. I am saying what he did was chicken shite and it was not a clean baseball play like you mentioned earlier. Yes runners are taught to run as far inside as they can on a bunt because it forces the catcher to step around them to create a throwing lane to first. This isn't even close to the same thing though. It was not a clean baseball play.
quote:
Do you think maybe, just maybe, the pitcher dropped the ball because he had a guy barreling at him? Maybe a possibility? Maybe? Possibly?
And no, I don't. He had already dropped the ball because it was a tough play to make.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:11 am to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:
Regardless, Go Gators.....we beat that injun arse just like always in every measurable facet
yeah y'all got them beat in self-blocking
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:12 am to lsupride87
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The also state that you have to touch a bag for a runner to be out. I guess we need to go over turn those 1,000,000,000 double plays that never happened.
Or, we could stick to the topic at hand.
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Look, there is no need for everyone to really argue anymore.
I'm not arguing...this is the type of topic this forum should exist for (minus the OP, which is nonsense). There is a lot of gray area surrounding this play and it is worth talking about...which is why super phan proclaiming people "don't know baseball" if you aren't prepared to fluff FSU is useless in this conversation.
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We clearly see it differently
Fair enough. The umpire awarded him an infield single...they only get one shot at it. I have the luxury of watching it a dozen times.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:42 am to beaver
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beaver
So fricking butthurt.
It's comical.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:08 am to lsupride87
LINK
Watching the replay in slow mo at 2:23 mark shows clear intent by the runner to injure and disrupt the ability to field the ball. He went out of his way, ie completely changes his course of running, to make this play. Should have been ruled out. Should have been tossed out of the game. Should be suspended multiple games.
Watching the replay in slow mo at 2:23 mark shows clear intent by the runner to injure and disrupt the ability to field the ball. He went out of his way, ie completely changes his course of running, to make this play. Should have been ruled out. Should have been tossed out of the game. Should be suspended multiple games.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:26 am to PurpleAndGold86
It'd be nice if the thugs kept their thuggery in football. A shame to see this bullshite in baseball season.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:29 am to Choupique19
Not debatable? Lets look at the rule you posted...
Basic rule construction states that the "and" part of the sentence must also occur. Since you keep citing to second marks of the video, at what second mark is a throw being attempted?
Also, even if you disagree with his judgement, the umpire is given discretion in the rule. At the time, the umpire did not find interference with a fielder's throw to first, which you so clearly see.
quote:
Rule 6.05
A batter is out when— (k) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead;
Basic rule construction states that the "and" part of the sentence must also occur. Since you keep citing to second marks of the video, at what second mark is a throw being attempted?
Also, even if you disagree with his judgement, the umpire is given discretion in the rule. At the time, the umpire did not find interference with a fielder's throw to first, which you so clearly see.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:36 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
Is this rule good enough for you:
You may be an FSU fan, but that was a complete chicken shite move by the douche that did it. He should be suspended multiple games for trucking the pitcher like he did.
quote:
7.08
Any runner is out when --
quote:
(b) He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball;
Rule 7.08(b) Comment: A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not.
You may be an FSU fan, but that was a complete chicken shite move by the douche that did it. He should be suspended multiple games for trucking the pitcher like he did.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:49 am to PurpleAndGold86
The pitcher is not attempting to make a play on a batted ball when the contact occurs. The pitcher made a play on the ball and dropped it. Otherwise, the ball would have been in his glove when he is looking up, just before the contact is made. Once the ball is dropped, it is no longer a batted ball, it is a live bobbled ball.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:53 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
He should be suspended multiple games for trucking the pitcher like he did.
i hope that's sarcasm.
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