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re: JFF lighting up his pro day
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:40 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:40 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
The main thing to worry about with JFF or any QB like him is what makes him great is also likely to make him miss games. That's why if I were a pro scout, I'd still prefer primarily pro-style QBs who had decent feet over straight up dual threats.
Sure, the dual threat can kill defenses when in the game but QB is a special position for two reasons.
1)It's damned hard to have TWO legit dual threat QBs on your team meaning if #1 goes down, your team is thrown into turmoil
2)This forces you to want to put a guy like JFF in a box which pretty much negates what makes him great in the first place.
JFF is not a big guy. RBs are designed to take a lot of punishment and most of them miss games. NFL teams are much more prepared to have their star RB out 2-3 games a year than they are their QB.
Finally, a good point I heard on the radio once. A dual threat QB will decline rapidly if what makes him great is his feet(even if a great thrower) because everyone slows with age. You end up with a QB that has the shelf life of a RB. Unfortunately, the reality is that with the exceptions aside, most QBs develop into their best QB skills with 4-5 years of experience. For the dual threat guy, this means the decline in physical tools end up negating his better football abilities.
A pocket passer can get slower and it barely affects his game. When Cam gets slower, he'll be pretty average.
Sure, the dual threat can kill defenses when in the game but QB is a special position for two reasons.
1)It's damned hard to have TWO legit dual threat QBs on your team meaning if #1 goes down, your team is thrown into turmoil
2)This forces you to want to put a guy like JFF in a box which pretty much negates what makes him great in the first place.
JFF is not a big guy. RBs are designed to take a lot of punishment and most of them miss games. NFL teams are much more prepared to have their star RB out 2-3 games a year than they are their QB.
Finally, a good point I heard on the radio once. A dual threat QB will decline rapidly if what makes him great is his feet(even if a great thrower) because everyone slows with age. You end up with a QB that has the shelf life of a RB. Unfortunately, the reality is that with the exceptions aside, most QBs develop into their best QB skills with 4-5 years of experience. For the dual threat guy, this means the decline in physical tools end up negating his better football abilities.
A pocket passer can get slower and it barely affects his game. When Cam gets slower, he'll be pretty average.
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:44 pm to SettleDown
Hijack incoming:
That one game makes for a mighty big sample size
/hijack.
quote:
Just ask Oregon.
That one game makes for a mighty big sample size
/hijack.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:50 pm to theducks
That game plus two against us, plus you might argue this year against Auburn too. I see where they're coming from
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:53 pm to SettleDown
Those are all great points and I agree. He will have to strike a balance between the improv and staying within the offense otherwise he will expose himself big time. He was pretty good at avoiding big hits while scrambling in college but the NFL is a whole different ball game.
It will be interesting to see how effective guys like Kaepernick and Cam are down the road based on what you said
It will be interesting to see how effective guys like Kaepernick and Cam are down the road based on what you said
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:53 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:That was my point. He has had success where others haven't against some of these face paced offenses.
That game plus two against us, plus you might argue this year against Auburn too. I see where they're coming from
Of course, if you want me to play the card I really think about Oregon, I'd just point out that Oregon had a beast of a time against AU when AUs defense blew chunks all year in the SEC. Just sayin.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:55 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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It will be interesting to see how effective guys like Kaepernick and Cam are down the road based on what you said
Yeah. I'm interested to see because it makes sense to me. Brady's game is essentially unchanged today vs 10 years ago. Same for Manning's.
But, Colin and Cam are both going to get slower and banged up. That's just NFL reality. For RBs, that usually means career decline at age 30. But, the NFL is used to the QBs hitting their groove at about age 30.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:57 pm to SettleDown
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Brady's game is essentially unchanged today vs 10 years ago
Well thats completely false
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:02 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Well thats completely false
OK. He wasn't a pure drop back passer 10 years ago?
Sure. He's a shade slower than then and scrambles a bit less. But, he was drop back then, he's drop back now.
Completely false!!
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:06 pm to SettleDown
Theres more differences in a QBs game than just being a scrambler and a pocket passer.
Hes a very different QB from 10 years ago mechanically.
Hes a very different QB from 10 years ago mechanically.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:13 pm to Cole Beer
quote:
JFF lighting up his pro day
I remember when Jamarcus Russell lit up his pro day...
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:18 pm to Cole Beer
Idk why everyone is so hyped about a pro day. He's just throwing passes. If I go outside and complete some passes will I get a try out for a pro team?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:36 pm to QJenk
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Idk why everyone is so hyped about a pro day. He's just throwing passes. If I go outside and complete some passes will I get a try out for a pro team?
If you can throw like he can you might!
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:02 pm to QJenk
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Idk why everyone is so hyped about a pro day
Pro days are completely worthless from a fan perspective - scout may gain something by it, but the public learns nothing.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:31 pm to Billy Mays
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I remember when Jamarcus Russell lit up his pro day...
Johnny doesn't have a purple drink problem, so I think he's good there.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:49 pm to QJenk
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Idk why everyone is so hyped about a pro day. He's just throwing passes. If I go outside and complete some passes will I get a try out for a pro team?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:50 pm to Projectpat
neither did JM before his pro-day and actually had less off the field issues than JFF at that point, so.....
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:50 pm to Projectpat
top five picks shouldn't use hover hands
Posted on 3/27/14 at 6:07 pm to molsusports
You apparently don't know the meaning of hover hands. I sentence you to two hours of reading only the O-T.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 6:09 pm to Projectpat
JFF on gruden qb camp right now. Espn
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 6:19 pm to Projectpat
that left hand is a hovering
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