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re: Jerry Layne's Strike Zone for the Cubs Nationals Game Last Night
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:48 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:48 pm to McCaigBro69
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you eliminate a human determined strike zone the game turns into a massive advantage for the hitters. You really think that professionals, who already are hitting record home runs, if given an absolute strike zone wouldn't master that thing in a season or two?
I don't agree with this. Pitchers that work in and out and change speeds would be just fine. It may be to the pitchers advantage. They know if they hit a spot it'll be a strike.
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:58 pm to shel311
Because then the human element in the nation's pasttime is removed.
At least add an unknown probabilistic factor for error to mimic a man....the error would be applied to both teams, equally.
At least add an unknown probabilistic factor for error to mimic a man....the error would be applied to both teams, equally.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:34 pm to BigPerm30
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I don't understand why they don't go with the automated balls and strikes. It's being implemented in some minor league games.
I think it's a great idea. Keep the ump for calls at the plate and whatever else it is they do (of course, the calls at the plate will go to review anyway
)Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:36 pm to McCaigBro69
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No, but if you take out human called balls/strikes the human error in baseball is completely gone.
If you eliminate a human determined strike zone the game turns into a massive advantage for the hitters. You really think that professionals, who already are hitting record home runs, if given an absolute strike zone wouldn't master that thing in a season or two?
I know this is your opinion, but it's a terrible one.
You like the game because many times they get it wrong? WTF? Replay is the greatest thing they've brought into the NFL or MLB. So long as it doesn't take forever, get it right. The players deserve it, and so do the fans.
Pitchers, hitters, and fans all get upset at an inconsistent strike zone or one that is way out of wack. I don't watch a game like that and go "man, that horrible call is why I love me some baseball!"
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:38 pm to Pectus
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Because then the human element in the nation's pasttime is removed.
At least add an unknown probabilistic factor for error to mimic a man....the error would be applied to both teams, equally.
What is wrong with some of you people? You're arguing that the sport would be better with errors in judgment? That's absurd.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:39 pm to mylsuhat
Meh. He's no Eric Gregg.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:41 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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You like the game because many times they get it wrong?
It seems to have worked for 100+ years that the sport has been around.
I’m fine with the replay on bases, HR’s and what not, but balls/strikes is where I draw the line.
If it was automated I would tell my team to not bother calling me to ask to re-up on my season tickets.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:48 pm to McCaigBro69
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It seems to have worked for 100+ years that the sport has been around.
I’m fine with the replay on bases, HR’s and what not, but balls/strikes is where I draw the line.
If it was automated I would tell my team to not bother calling me to ask to re-up on my season tickets.
Again, this makes no sense as to why it would be so offputting. shite, when you're sitting in your seat at the game, can you really tell if a particular pitch was a ball or strike without the overlay you get when watching on TV? All you would know is that when a strike is called it's actually a strike. THE HORROR! Your experience at the game in your seat would change 0%.
And your logic falls apart even further by saying that something worked 100 years ago so it's fine, but then say that replay is cool with you, which was added recently. So do you want the real wrong experience or not?
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:49 pm to McCaigBro69
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It seems to have worked for 100+ years that the sport has been around.
Yea, and horses worked for 100+ years. You still drive a car now though, don't you?
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If it was automated I would tell my team to not bother calling me to ask to re-up on my season tickets
I mean, that's your prerogative. I just don't understand why anyone would be against getting calls correct. To each his own I guess.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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shite, when you're sitting in your seat at the game, can you really tell if a particular pitch was a ball or strike without the overlay you get when watching on TV?
I can’t tell if this is a serious question
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:54 pm to mylsuhat
I think the missed hitters interference on the Cubs that was the difference in the game and series is a much bigger issue in regards to Jerry Layne but I can see why you'd rather focus on something different
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:55 pm to McCaigBro69
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I can’t tell if this is a serious question
You said you wouldn't renew if they went to auto balls and strikes. My point, worded poorly, is that when you're at the game, you can't tell if a pitch was called correctly or not. You can have a leaning one way or another, but without the overlay you get on TV, you don't know for certain.
Net-net, like I said, it would change the "at the game" experience 0%. Aside from them getting the calls correct on each pitch. Do you really get that much satisfaction out of booing balls and strikes?
Of all the reasons to not renew tickets...cost, crappy team, hassle, weather, other priorities, schedules, etc..."getting the calls right all the time" seems like it would be toward the bottom of the list
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:08 pm to McCaigBro69
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No, but if you take out human called balls/strikes the human error in baseball is completely gone
This isn’t such a ridiculous statement. My god.
The human error should be with the players on the field. Not with the enforcement of the rules.
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I also enjoy the strategy behind a human strike zone.
You could legit program the strike zone a little differently every game. When Ump 1 is behind the plate give them an inch off the outside corner. When Ump 2 is behind the plate give them a tight zone. Etc. Not that they should do that, but they could. And you could get strategy plus 100% consistency through the game.
Penalizing pitchers for painting the corners or penalizing hitters for having a great eye isn’t strategy. It isn’t human error. It’s bullshite.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:11 pm to mylsuhat
Geez...... 
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:18 pm to 1ranter1
The only reason I'd be opposed to this is that balls/strikes is the only way to get a good old fashioned umpire-manager shouting match on the field these days. An automated strike zone would eliminate that completely.
Of course, they should go to the automated strike zone as soon as it can be proven to be effective and without error. I think the possibility of it to malfunction at a critical time would be the biggest hold up.
Of course, they should go to the automated strike zone as soon as it can be proven to be effective and without error. I think the possibility of it to malfunction at a critical time would be the biggest hold up.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:24 pm to medtiger
why do we need more computer aided umpiring???? part of the fun of baseball is thinking the crowd can influence close ball and strike calls
at least we'd never see it in high school ball and probably not in the SEC
at least we'd never see it in high school ball and probably not in the SEC
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:25 pm to chalmetteowl
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part of the fun of baseball is thinking the crowd can influence close ball and strike calls
You consider that a good thing? Holy crap.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:34 pm to mylsuhat
Needs get to lasik
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:39 pm to medtiger
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only way to get a good old fashioned umpire-manager shouting match on the field these days. An automated strike zone would eliminate that completely.
We've still got the "did he go/hold up" arguments, right?
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