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re: Is Dustin Pedrioa a hall of famer?
Posted on 9/16/16 at 9:49 am to goldennugget
Posted on 9/16/16 at 9:49 am to goldennugget
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Posted on 9/16/16 at 9:59 am to Bench McElroy
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If you're a firm believer in counting stats for players to be HOFers, that would eliminate almost every active starting pitcher.
Im a firm believer in counting stats with position players. Pitchers are a little different.
However, the last 5 pitchers into the Hall
Randy Johnson- 300wins and 3000K
Pedro- 3000K
Smoltz- 3000K
Tom Glavine- 300wins
Maddux- both
Would Kershaw need to hit counting stats? Prob not. He has 3 Cys and an MVP.
I could be missing someone but all the other active starting pitchers have a long way to go to sniff the HOF. Counting stats arent eliminating them, they are eliminating themselves at this point.
This post was edited on 9/16/16 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/16/16 at 10:01 am to dnm3305
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Why are you laughing? They are very similar players and Joe Morgan is recognized as one of the greatest 2B of all time.
Let's look at Morgan's peak, the 5 seasons averaged out in which he finished top 10 in MVP voting including winning 2. 1972-1976
Morgan -
R - 113
H - 158
2b - 29
3b - 4
HR - 22
RBI - 85
SB - 62
303/431/499/930(wow)/163 ops+
Career Total Zone fielding - (-43)
Postseason slash line (50 games) - 182/323/348/671
Pedroia during his 4 all star seasons including rookie year and MVP season -
R - 97
H - 170
2b - 41
3b - 2
HR - 16
RBI - 72
SB - 19
307/376/475/851/122 ops+
Career Total Zone fielding - (+92)
Postseason slash line (44 games) - 247/323/404/728
you pretty much made his argument for him
Posted on 9/16/16 at 10:13 am to Lester Earl
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you pretty much made his argument for him
A +135 run differential in career fielding and comparable offensive stats? You think so?
Pedroia is a above avg/well above avg fielder and his peak OPS average would rank 11th all time at 2b. He needs 19 WAR to be top 10 all time at the position. If he plays another 5 years he should accumulate that.
Posted on 9/16/16 at 10:32 am to dnm3305
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and comparable offensive stats?
those arent comparable. Even if we dont want to talk counting stats(HR/RBI/SB, huge difference). You WOW'd at the slash line yourself. 163 ops+ compared to 122 is a huge gap.
I know you are talking 5 year stretch, but for context, a 163 OPS+ for a career would be in the stratosphere of Ty Cobb/ Jimmie Foxx/Pujols/Dimaggio/Mays.
122 would be a Victor Martinez, Carlos Beltran, Scott Rolen type of player.
Seemingly, you're talking all time greats vs borderline HOF'ers, which is the case of Morgan vs Pedroia
This post was edited on 9/16/16 at 10:38 am
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