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re: Is CP3 actually underrated now?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:08 pm to RTR America
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:08 pm to RTR America
quote:Paul has averaged 20/9/5 with 2.6 steals 47%/40%/84% shooting in his 3 LAC playoff runs.
Yeah I can look past the lack of rings for a lot of guys, but never getting past the 2nd round especially w/the talent he has along side him in LA just knocks him down a peg for me.
Had he played horribly but won a couple of extra rounds, would you then put him a notch above where you're putting him now? Not sure how that works or makes sense logically.
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Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:15 pm to shel311
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These teams are more talented than any of his Hornets teams, even the 2nd round team.
Wouldn't the Clippers years be even MORE wasted then?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:20 pm to shel311
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Paul has averaged 20/9/5 with 2.6 steals 47%/40%/84% shooting in his 3 LAC playoff runs.
Had he played horribly but won a couple of extra rounds, would you then put him a notch above where you're putting him now? Not sure how that works or makes sense logically.
He's the best PG in the game for me right now, I just think in the grand scheme of all time greats it hurts him.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:24 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:No...but again, it's not the perspective I'm taking, i'm arguing from the perspective Boom took.
Wouldn't the Clippers years be even MORE wasted then?
If titles or how close you come to a title matter, IMO, The Clipper years should matter MORE and be more of a telling factor that he can't get it done in the playoffs, since the teams were better. AGAIN, I don't agree with that take, but if you count the rings, I'd think that to be fairly logical.
I think I just errored by using the term "wasted" and my actual point is being missed.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:25 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Pauls teams have never done damage in the playoffs, even with a healthy Griffin. That's why he is overlooked. You gonna tell me that the best PG or second best to ever play the game hasn't even lead his team out of the second round of the playoffs? I call BS
ok, so what about James Harden?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:25 pm to RTR America
quote:Fair enough. I can concede on "it hurts him" as long as it's not taken out too far.
He's the best PG in the game for me right now, I just think in the grand scheme of all time greats it hurts him
When folks start saying they'd take Tony Parker(who i think it's great fwiw) over Paul, that's when I get eternally frustrated, because that's just ridiculous.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:31 pm to RTR America
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His lack of playoff success has seriously hurt his rep
His constant flopping and complaining has seriously hurt his rep.
And why the frick would two twins have a son each that look exactly alike?
Cliff Paul stole Chris' second son and is raising him as his own.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:34 pm to RTR America
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He's the best PG in the game for me right now,
Curry LOLZ at this
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:37 pm to shel311
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Fair enough. I can concede on "it hurts him" as long as it's not taken out too far.
Yeah I hate the rings or bust arguments for the most part.
I get it for LeBron because the comparison is MJ, but for 95% of other players it shouldn't apply because of guys like MJ and LeBron.
If no one has noticed it is really fricking hard to win a title in the NBA, especially when there are guys like them in the league.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:38 pm to rondo
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Curry LOLZ at this
Steph is like my favorite non-Grizz player in the league, but I would still take CP3 over him.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:40 pm to rondo
quote:No one cares about defense!!!
Curry LOLZ at this
Paul is closer to being as good as Curry offensively than Curry is to Paul defensively.
Paul is elite level defensively this season, that's going largely unnoticed...or again, people just don't care about the defensive stuff that doesnt show up in our normal morning boxscores.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:45 pm to shel311
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Paul has averaged 20/9/5 with 2.6 steals 47%/40%/84% shooting in his 3 LAC playoff runs.
Had he played horribly but won a couple of extra rounds, would you then put him a notch above where you're putting him now? Not sure how that works or makes sense logically.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:45 pm to shel311
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No one cares about defense!!!
Most overlooked thing when discussing NBA guards. People always seem to notice it when talking about bigs, but for some reason it gets largely ignored when talking about guards.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:46 pm to Ostrich
Didn't the Clips get absolutely screwed on that play?
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:49 pm to RTR America
quote:I'm the biggest Paul fan on this board possibly(though I still think I view him fairly logically) but screwed or not, he definitely choked that final minute away.
Didn't the Clips get absolutely screwed on that play
Certainly not one of his finer moments.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:54 pm to shel311
Oh yeah I was mainly talking about the end of the play.
IIRC the ball should've been out on Reggie Jackson, but they used some obscure rule to say it was out on the Clippers.
IIRC the ball should've been out on Reggie Jackson, but they used some obscure rule to say it was out on the Clippers.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:57 pm to Lester Earl
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ok, so what about James Harden?
Who is calling Harden an ALL TIME great right now? No one. FYI Harden lead OKC to finals in a series win over the Spurs.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:58 pm to RTR America
We aren't even talking about WINNING the finals, we are talking about winning a 2nd round series. Huge difference.
Posted on 3/6/15 at 1:59 pm to Boomshockalocka
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We aren't even talking about WINNING the finals, we are talking about winning a 2nd round series. Huge difference.
Yeah this is the exact point I made
Posted on 3/6/15 at 2:03 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:He did? In 2012?
FYI Harden lead OKC to finals in a series win over the Spurs
He averaged 18/5/3 on 49% shooting, definitely solid.
Durant averaged 30/7/5 on 53% shooting, so I'm not sure how that equates to Harden leading OKC to a series win.
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