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re: If the Big 12 is snubbed again this year
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
They would have to expand
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:13 pm to castorinho
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Lol wtf
Only Baylor (and K state for the longest time until they played Auburn) has shite opponents.
OU has had FSU, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Ohio State next year
Texas had Notre Dame, Cal and BYU. All respectable this year
Oklahoma State played Florida State last year
TCU has Arkansas and Ohio State on their schedule
Just to name a few.
Totally fair. I actually thought about OU after I posted. However, there is a trickle down when your conference opponents don't play anyone. Look, I understand schedules are made years in advance, but when people are discussing the merits of a TCU win over Minnesota for 2 years in a row, it hurts perception. Rightly or wrongly, this is kind of a big deal when the playoff is decided by a human committee, despite their efforts to be objective.
Like you mentioned, Baylor has shite opponents now and in the future. Does last night's game mean OU is really good or does it mean Baylor has been overrated all season? Oklahoma State is undefeated and is just now entering the playoff conversation because they've beaten no one except for TCU. But does that mean Oklahoma State is really good or was TCU overrated?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:22 pm to rocket31
quote:I disagree. The committee has a very real problem with the Big 12 not having a championship game. I think they'd begrudgingly put in a 1 loss OU team this year but that's it. OSU has to go undefeated.
indeed, Big12 was very, very close to having two teams in the playoff last year until the Ohio State late season surge.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:42 pm to beaverfever
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The committee has a very real problem with the Big 12 not having a championship game
Based on what? Ohio State conveniently saved the committee from having to make a decision between TCU and Baylor. How would a Big XII CG have fixed the situation last year?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:43 pm to nvasil1
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Look, I understand schedules are made years in advance, but when people are discussing the merits of a TCU win over Minnesota for 2 years in a row, it hurts perception.
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Oklahoma State is undefeated and is just now entering the playoff conversation because they've beaten no one except for TCU. But does that mean Oklahoma State is really good or was TCU overrated?
So when you look at Minnesota almost beating Michigan, almost beating Iowa, and hanging with Ohio State for most of the game, does that change your perception of TCU beating them with multiple starters out and it mostly being a two-possession game until a garbage-time TD?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:46 pm to beaverfever
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The committee has a very real problem with the Big 12 not having a championship game.
This is a made up argument.
In an alternate universe where the big 12 had a championship game and Baylor beat an average opponent to win the title in the Big 12 CCG, they would still be left out for Ohio State, GUARANTEED.
Adding shite teams isn't going to help anything
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:47 pm to nvasil1
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Based on what?
based on something he read on a message board im assuming
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:51 pm to castorinho
I can't until a 3 loss division winner fricks over an undefeated or one loss team before people realize the CCG can cut the other way.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:04 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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So when you look at Minnesota almost beating Michigan, almost beating Iowa, and hanging with Ohio State for most of the game, does that change your perception of TCU beating them with multiple starters out and it mostly being a two-possession game until a garbage-time TD?
I love TCU, but again, perception. I thought the Minnesota win was a good one, yet TCU dropped a spot in the polls the next week. And they kept dropping because of tight games, even though they were winning. I didn't necessarily agree with that, particularly when Baylor was getting hyped for blowing out nobodies.
I mentioned the Minnesota wins not as a slight to TCU, but as an indictment on the rest of the conference favorites. Like I said, I thought Minnesota was a good win, but it's still fricking Minnesota. OU can highlight the Tennessee win this year, but wtf can Okie State and Baylor point to to bolster their resume?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:06 pm to rocket31
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based on something he read on a message board im assuming
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:12 pm to nvasil1
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sota wins not as a slight to TCU, but as an indictment on the rest of the conference favorites. Like I said, I thought Minnesota was a good win, but it's still fricking Minnesota. OU can highlight the Tennessee win this year, but wtf can Okie State and Baylor point to to bolster their resume?
Can every team in every conference point to a marquee out of conference win? In my experience, no there's usually one or two that do and whether those are the teams that are playing for the conference championship or not, those wins legitimize the conference by either the direct win or by the oh-so-popular reflexive win property of football. It happens literally every season.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:25 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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Can every team in every conference point to a marquee out of conference win?
Nope, which is why TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State was left out of the top 4 in the first committee polls. Okie State was the lowest ranked undefeated P5 team.
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those wins legitimize the conference by either the direct win or by the oh-so-popular reflexive win property of football. It happens literally every season
Did the OU or Tech wins over SEC opponents legitimize the Big XII? The TCU win over Minnesota? I think the Big XII is underrated for the most part, but the committee isn't buying it thus far.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:29 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
Just beat OU so it can really frick things up for the Big 12
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:45 pm to nvasil1
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OU can highlight the Tennessee win this year, but wtf can Okie State and Baylor point to to bolster their resume?
Oklahoma State had Clemson scheduled for the non-conference this season. But when Notre Dame made their special deal with the ACC Clemson backed out so that ND would fit on their schedule. That's why we got stuck with Central Arkansas. OSU has made an effort to schedule at least 1 Power 5 opponent every year for the past decade and we've got Boise State, Pittsburgh, and Oregon State in the next 6 years. Those teams aren't great now, but Boise was scheduled when they were rolling and the other 2 schools have been solid bowl teams in the past. That's miles better than Baylor's schedule.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:09 pm to Bunk Moreland
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can't until a 3 loss division winner fricks over an undefeated or one loss team before people realize the CCG can cut the other way.
Exactly, then all we'll hear is that it's not fair that this team had to play an extra game.....well shite you sure weren't complaining about that extra game when it was boosting your résumé.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:14 pm to pistolsfiring11
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Oklahoma State had Clemson scheduled for the non-conference this season. But when Notre Dame made their special deal with the ACC Clemson backed out so that ND would fit on their schedule. That's why we got stuck with Central Arkansas.
Will be interesting to see if that Clemson game is what gets Notre Dame in (and possibly keep Okie State out?)
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:15 pm to castorinho
You don't see how thats why you need a championship game?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:21 pm to WestCoastAg
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You don't see how thats why you need a championship game?
I don't know about need
Ohio State got in last year because they're Ohio State and the other two options were Baylor and TCU. I mean it sucks for them, but let's be honest here, they don't move the needle nationally. Even you said so earlier this week.
Now you combine that with the awful OOC, especially in the case of Baylor and you get what we had.
Had very little to do with a CCG. And desperately adding c rappy teams just to satisfy that would be dumb.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:24 pm to castorinho
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Had very little to do with a CCG
An extra win over Kansas State certainly would have helped Baylor.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:32 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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So when you look at Minnesota almost beating Michigan, almost beating Iowa, and hanging with Ohio State for most of the game, does that change your perception of TCU beating them with multiple starters out and it mostly being a two-possession game until a garbage-time TD?
Iowa was up by two scores late and Minnesota scored a late TD. Iowa ran out the clock next possession. How is that "almost beating Iowa"? Iowa was in control for most of that game. Not at all like Michigan who needed a big-time goalline stand to preserve the win.
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