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re: How is Jared Verse not considered a Top 5 pick?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:59 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 3/19/24 at 8:59 pm to IAmNERD
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quote:Weaknesses
Lacks ideal size and length that teams covet. Unable to anchor deep when drive blockers get into him.
Below-average footwork and wrap-up leads to missed tackles.
Offensive tackles stall his rush plan with a firm punch.
Has moments where rush wears down against size.
To the OPs point, that 6.73 grade is the 5th highest of all prospects, in spite of those weaknesses.
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:14 pm to VolSquatch
quote:the team that just won the Super Bowl did so with their top receiver being a 4th round rookie from smu. Is the analytics you’re talking about the new strand of crack you’ve been smoking? You can get great production from receivers found all throughout the draft. Hell look at Houston, their best receiver this year was also a 3rd round rookie. Then you think about all the vets that are still playing at an extremely high level. There is a plethora of good receivers in the league right now. Your take is bad and you should feel bad
Analytics say WR is the 2nd most important position in football now,
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:16 am to LooseCannon22282
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I mean look at the free agents who got paid just a few days ago. Sure as frick wasn't a WR.
The most mid WR that ever did mid, Calvin Midley, got $92m. Jerry Jeudy just got $50m and hes never made it to 1k yards
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:18 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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the team that just won the Super Bowl did so with their top receiver being a 4th round rookie from smu.
The team with possibly the greatest QB ever?
And that rookie from SMU might actually be a decent player, and KC still has a TE who is at least in the convo for the GOAT.
Go look at the past 10-15, hell even 20 winners. The vast majority had at least one if not 2 stud receivers, or a potential GOAT QB (Brady or Mahomes), and often both
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:20 am to Dairy Sanders
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not even remotely close.
Its either Edge, WR, or LT, and I don't know how you could argue that its not one of those with a straight face. Look how much money WR2s and WR3 type guys got in free agency this year, teams are talking with their dollars.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 8:53 am to SaintlyTiger88
I think teams are worried he’s one dimensional. However, his one dimension is pinning his ears back and going after the QB. That’s a premier quality that every team is seeking.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:32 am to VolSquatch
quote:which proves the point the wr isn’t the 2nd most valuable position in the nfl draft which is my point
And that rookie from SMU might actually be a decent player, and KC still has a TE who is at least in the convo for the GOAT.
you can get good pass catchers in rounds 2-5 so why the frick would you value a top 10 draft pick on one. When In the history of the nfl has having the no.1 receiver equaled deep playoff runs and championships? Never even Jerry rice had 2 hall of fame quarterbacks the years they won it. A great receiver can only do so much by himself. Without a good qb or somewhat of another threat around him they can be completely taken out of a game. Posted on 3/20/24 at 11:51 am to SaintlyTiger88
I think there are some edge rushing gems to be found late in this draft. Same for tight end.
The DE from Texas Tech looks the part.
The DE from Texas Tech looks the part.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:13 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Without a good qb or somewhat of another threat around him they can be completely taken out of a game.
Which is why they are the 2nd most important behind QB
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:33 pm to VolSquatch
quote:no because an average receiver paired with a good qb and great o line is better than a great receiver with an average qb and good O line.
Which is why they are the 2nd most important behind QB
Dude you’re just fricking wrong
you can get quality receivers in almost any round of the draft which makes them less important because of the depth at position. Whereas a top tier pass rusher cannot as easily be found in rounds 5 or 6 as receivers can. This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:38 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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so why the frick would you value a top 10 draft pick on one.
It's tough to get a legit WR1 outside of the top half of the first round.
You can get any position later, including edge.
Where was Maxx Crosby drafted?
Where was TJ Watt drafted?
Where was Alex Highsmith drafted?
Where was Demarcus Lawrence drafted?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:49 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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you can get quality receivers in almost any round of the draft
Yet of the top 10 WRs in 2023 7 were taken in the first or second round, with most taken in the first
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rounds 5 or 6 as receivers can.
Yeah because everyone can just go out and get a Puka in the 5th
3 WRs going in the top 10 and MAYBE 1 pass rushers should tell you what NFL teams, who know more than either of us, think of the subject
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:where was wes Welker, Julian Edelman, DK metcalf, Antonio brown. See how we can both play this game?
It's tough to get a legit WR1 outside of the top half of the first round. You can get any position later, including edge. Where was Maxx Crosby drafted? Where was TJ Watt drafted? Where was Alex Highsmith drafted? Where was Demarcus Lawrence drafted?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:25 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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wes Welker, Julian Edelman,
SO many good examples out there and you use these two
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:41 pm to VolSquatch
quote:so you admit you’re wrong? I also used do metcalf and Antonio brown. It was just the first few that came to mind
SO many good examples out there
Puka was another I forgot! GMs are stupid nothing new. D line and o line are 2nd most important spots in football behind QB.
If I need to get techinical for you it’s QB, then Left tackle, then rush end. You want a quarterback, someone to protect him, and someone to get after the other teams qb.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:56 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Good players are taken late in the draft for various reasons all the time at every position. Tyreek Hill would have been a first rounder without the legal issues. Dak would go first round if you redo the draft he came in. Lael Collins, Jaylon Smith pre-injury.
Nice opinion, doesn't seem to match up with people who actually know (the NFL) think
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If I need to get techinical for you it’s QB, then Left tackle, then rush end. You want a quarterback, someone to protect him, and someone to get after the other teams qb.
Nice opinion, doesn't seem to match up with people who actually know (the NFL) think
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:42 pm to VolSquatch
quote:yes it does. Look at the top 5 picks from last years draft. 3 qbs, a pass rusher, a corner and then an offensive tackle. First receiver was taken around 20 I believe.
Nice opinion, doesn't seem to match up with people who actually know (the NFL) think
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:19 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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potentially generational talent.
No. This is the single most over used description of players over the past decade.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:46 pm to VolSquatch
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3 WRs going in the top 10 and MAYBE 1 pass rushers should tell you what NFL teams, who know more than either of us, think of the subject
In the 2023 draft, a wr wasn’t drafted until pick 20. 3 edge rushers were taken before then
In 2022 draft, the first wr was taken 8, edge rushers were taken 3 of the top 5.
In 2021draft, 3 of the top 10 were wide receivers, the first edge wasn’t taken until 19.
It’s almost like the league tries to draft the best players that a team needs.
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Nice opinion, doesn't seem to match up with people who actually know (the NFL) think
Actually, the only position drafted more often in the top 10 than edge was OT
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:33 am to Oilfieldbiology
He gets hit with facts and the dumbass finally abandons his retarded arse thread
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