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re: Home Court Advantage in Basketball?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 8:58 am to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 6/9/16 at 8:58 am to FootballNostradamus
I think the biggest difference is the home team gets to stick to a normal routine. Normal practice times, normal meals, normal home environment where you sleep in your own bed, etc. Even though NBA accommodations are great, there's a different level of comfort when you're at home.
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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i do think the crowd can elevate your energy level, but yeah it's mostly familiarity with the gemometry of the arena
Exactly. Depth perception in shooting is a big factor. It's why some teams/players can struggle to shoot in giant domed stadiums.
Also, unlike football and baseball, teams can go on runs (partly fueled by the crowd energy) with out any stop in play. Even after an exciting play in football there is going to be a significant pause before the next play is run. There are large pauses between every pitch in baseball.
In basketball a team can hit a 3. Then get a steal on the next possession that leads to a dunk. Get a stop on the next possession then hit another 3. This could happen all within a span of less than a minute with no stoppage in play. The home crowd energy builds along with the energy of the home team on the court.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 8:59 am to MusclesofBrussels
quote:And if you notice, it is usually the role players that benefit the most. Normally, the superstars can overcome the slight discomfort and they dont miss a beat, but the role players seem to struggle alot more on the road
Think about how big a lot of these guys are. The comfort issue is a real thing. I've heard multiple players discuss it on podcasts. If you're 6'7 or larger traveling and staying in hotels isn't going to be easy, even in private jets and luxury hotels
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:05 am to FootballNostradamus
Referees also do a little home cooking.
There are a few refs who used to do the opposite. Joey Crawford is one example. He was more favorable to the road teams because he liked pissing off the home fans.
There are referee stats that show this is true.
There are a few refs who used to do the opposite. Joey Crawford is one example. He was more favorable to the road teams because he liked pissing off the home fans.
There are referee stats that show this is true.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:07 am to Salmon
I think a good crowd helps put the road teams runs on ice particularly for a team like golden state that's murders teams with 15-2 runs.
When you call a timeout after a 9-0 stretch at golden state their crowd ever stops.
I think energy really helps teams. there is something to be said about having that want to make a big play. I want this big dunk to get the crowd going or hit this three from China.
When you call a timeout after a 9-0 stretch at golden state their crowd ever stops.
I think energy really helps teams. there is something to be said about having that want to make a big play. I want this big dunk to get the crowd going or hit this three from China.
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:07 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:Becuase you're right.
I hear people say this, and it just doesn't make sense to me. I travel probably half as much as these guys and in nowhere near the luxury hotels they're staying at, and it barely bothers me anymore. Hell sometimes when I'm home I miss the comfort of my king bed by myself and getting up in the morning without any distraction of the family . These guys travel as much or more than anyone. They have to be used to it by now.
These guys, lots are veterans, are at the top of their profession and have played basketball for thousands upon thousands of hours. The familiarity thing IMO does not matter basically at all for them.
I'd recommend everyone read the book Scorecasting, it covers lots of topics, and one is homecourt advantage across all the major sports. They actually use data, as opposed to us going eye test and guessing.
They attribute about 75% of homecourt advantage to officiating. All the stuff like fans cheering or booing has less effect on players and more affect on officiating, subconsciously. They also attributed 21% to scheduling, back to back road games and what not.
Here's a snippet:
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:10 am to FootballNostradamus
There is also a concept called context-dependent memory where recall is better in the environment it was encoded. So it's possible that everything is more automatic at home.
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:11 am to Alt26
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In basketball a team can hit a 3. Then get a steal on the next possession that leads to a dunk. Get a stop on the next possession then hit another 3. This could happen all within a span of less than a minute with no stoppage in play.
do this a few times and that's the GS gameplan
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:12 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:It's the biggest difference IMO.
Referees also do a little home cooking. There are a few refs who used to do the opposite. Joey Crawford is one example. He was more favorable to the road teams because he liked pissing off the home fans. There are referee stats that show this is true.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:13 am to Alt26
quote:Teams typically don't shoot any better at home.
Exactly. Depth perception in shooting is a big factor
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:26 am to shel311
quote:Only like 5 or 6 teams had a better EFG% away than home. It's not huge but it looks to be an average of a percentage point or two higher.
Teams typically don't shoot any better at home.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:27 am to FootballNostradamus
Totally agree, it seems ridiculous
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:28 am to FootballNostradamus
I can only speak with high school experience as well, but it was always a big adrenaline rush playing at home. We had one of the best crowds for a high school team in 3A. Also it was pretty intimidating playing on the road in the playoffs and the other teams fans seemed to be on top of you. We still won though 
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:30 am to FootballNostradamus
I was thinking the same thing last night. My seventeen year old son and eighteen year old nephew have both been claiming that the NBA playoffs are rigged. I thought they were being super cynical, but the point swings from home to home in these series have made me raise eyebrows.
There is no way that home court, with "professionals" playing the game should be a +\- 20 points. It's truly unbelievable.
There is no way that home court, with "professionals" playing the game should be a +\- 20 points. It's truly unbelievable.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:30 am to FootballNostradamus
I was thinking the same thing last night. My seventeen year old son and eighteen year old nephew have both been claiming that the NBA playoffs are rigged. I thought they were being super cynical, but the point swings from home to home in these series have made me raise eyebrows.
There is no way that home court, with "professionals" playing the game should be a +\- 20 points. It's truly unbelievable.
There is no way that home court, with "professionals" playing the game should be a +\- 20 points. It's truly unbelievable.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:31 am to Lionnation1993
I played in high school too, home court was never worth that many points... Ever.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:32 am to FootballNostradamus
Comfort, knowing the areana etc all factor in plus officiating in the NBA is probably more influenced by the "crowd" or home court than any pro sport.
all that being said, there have been 25, 20+ point wins in this seasons playoffs. More than ever. It's been brutal in many respects. most games have been a snooze fest
all that being said, there have been 25, 20+ point wins in this seasons playoffs. More than ever. It's been brutal in many respects. most games have been a snooze fest
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:52 am to genro
The OKC series seemed the same way, some of the Cavs/Toronto series was like that.
I'm not running a scientific experiment, so take that "sample" talk somewhere else.
ETS: The OKC/GS last three games ended up fairly close.
I'm not running a scientific experiment, so take that "sample" talk somewhere else.
ETS: The OKC/GS last three games ended up fairly close.
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:53 am to genro
I haven't seen many two point games this playoffs.
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