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re: Heat vs Thunder
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:56 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 4/4/12 at 10:56 pm to boXerrumble
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I think OKC's Big 3 in Harden, Westbrook, and Durant would beat Miami's Big 3 in a series.
Disagree. We saw it last playoffs. There's a time when all those jump shots come back to bite the Thunder. It'll happen this season, just as it did last. Teams will deny Durant, and Westbrook will shoot them out of games.
EDIT: Also, all those turnovers OKC gives their opponents are going to be exponentially more critical in the playoffs.
EDIT2: Also, I love how people are talking about the downfall of Wade. The guy has the 2nd best PER in the league, and he's been nicked up all season. Let's slow down on the Wade is in decline talk. He's still playing basketball at a very high level.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 11:04 pm
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Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:02 pm to jturn17
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Disagree. We saw it last playoffs. There's a time when all those jump shots come back to bite the Thunder. It'll happen this season, just as it did last. Teams will deny Durant, and Westbrook will shoot them out of games. EDIT: Also, all those turnovers OKC gives their opponents are going to be exponentially more critical in the playoffs.
Completely agree. I am not convinced that the Thunder come out of the West. The Spurs, Lakers, and maybe a wildcard team will give them a run for their money.
I wonder how Durant will react to being physically bullied like he was last year in the playoffs.
From a neutral standpoint, this could be a great Finals if these two teams were to match up.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:05 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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The Spurs, Lakers, and maybe a wildcard team will give them a run for their money.
Memphis. They don't have Battier anymore to guard Durant, but they pushed OKC to the brink last season. They can do it again.
The West will be all about match ups. The last week of the season will be very interesting for seeding purposes.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:05 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
something is different about the Thunder this year.
they were pretty damn close to beating Miami in Miami when Miami was going 100%.
their consistency is their steals, westbrook and Ibaka are GREAT defenders
they were pretty damn close to beating Miami in Miami when Miami was going 100%.
their consistency is their steals, westbrook and Ibaka are GREAT defenders
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:11 pm to sgallo3
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westbrook and Ibaka are GREAT defenders
Problem is OKC isn't good on offense without Harden in the game, but they aren't good on defense with him in the game.
It's great they kept the game close tonight, but there are issues with the team that people are glossing over because it's not fun to talk about.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:15 pm to jturn17
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Also, I love how people are talking about the downfall of Wade. The guy has the 2nd best PER in the league
Yeah, and he's starting to have fatigue issues just like he did last season.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:21 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Yeah, and he's starting to have fatigue issues just like he did last season.
But he was great in the playoffs (minus the Bulls series). I don't think the fatigue will be an issue once the playoffs start. The playoffs will be slower paced than this regular season has been.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:21 pm to jturn17
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EDIT2: Also, I love how people are talking about the downfall of Wade. The guy has the 2nd best PER in the league, and he's been nicked up all season. Let's slow down on the Wade is in decline talk. He's still playing basketball at a very high level.
My "decline" of Wade refers to the fact that he has missed games 10 or so (right around 20% of the season so far) games this year. I prefer to look at something like value added or estimated wins added because frequency matters when there is a discrepency of games played due to injury. Wade is eighth in both of those statistics (they are the same order), which I think more accurately reflects his season performance than PER due to the fact that he is not penalized for missing 10 games.
Of course, Wade is still a terrific player who could very well be as good as the second best player in the game (but then again, I could say that for about three or so other guys). Everyone knows how great Wade is, and advanced metrics really bring that to the surface, but you are overlooking frequencies and just looking at rates when both matter.
This post was edited on 4/4/12 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:25 pm to jturn17
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The Spurs, Lakers, and maybe a wildcard team will give them a run for their money.
Memphis. They don't have Battier anymore to guard Durant, but they pushed OKC to the brink last season. They can do it again.
I'm kinda at the point I just don't think either the Lakers or the Spurs can beat OKC in a seven game series
I could actually see Memphis pulling it off (yeah, it would be an upset tho)
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:26 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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My "decline" of Wade refers to the fact that he has missed games 10 or so (right around 20% of the season so far) games this year.
Meh. I think there's a place for both. But I don't think someone "declines" just because they missed games due to injury/team choosing to rest him. Once a substantial level of minutes are played, I prefer per minute stats when determining whether someone is playing at a high level or not.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:32 pm to jturn17
I agree that per minute are usually better than a simple compilation, but I think frequencies are necessary in Wade's and Paul's case in comparing their seasons to Lebron, Durant, Love, etc.
Missing a fifth or sixth of the season is not "decline" per se (which is why I used quotes), but it is definitely a drawback to their game. While Wade is second in PER, I would not say he has been the second best player this season (if we ran under the assumption that PER perfectly ranked players). That is my point. I would say Durant, Howard, and Love (and probably others) were more valuable during this regular season just because they were out on the court every night.
Missing a fifth or sixth of the season is not "decline" per se (which is why I used quotes), but it is definitely a drawback to their game. While Wade is second in PER, I would not say he has been the second best player this season (if we ran under the assumption that PER perfectly ranked players). That is my point. I would say Durant, Howard, and Love (and probably others) were more valuable during this regular season just because they were out on the court every night.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:35 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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That is my point. I would say Durant, Howard, and Love (and probably others) were more valuable during this regular season just because they were out on the court every night.
Oh Wade hasn't had the 2nd most valuable season. I wasn't saying that. I was just pointing out that he's still playing at a very high level when he plays, while some in this thread tried to make it seem like his game itself is in decline. I just thought that was silly.
Posted on 4/4/12 at 11:38 pm to jturn17
Fair enough. The decline of a lot athletes is overexaggerated on here. It is a message board after all.
From just watching him, he does look like a little less excellent (though I would be afraid to say his game has declined), but the numbers do not back up my claim.
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I was just pointing out that he's still playing at a very high level when he plays, while some in this thread tried to make it seem like his game itself is in decline.
From just watching him, he does look like a little less excellent (though I would be afraid to say his game has declined), but the numbers do not back up my claim.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 12:31 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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he does look like a little less excellent
Meh. Basketball is a fickle game sometimes. He was 2-3 missed bunnies tonight from having a good game overall. It happens. He's been in a slump similar to LeBron recently, but he's also had some amazing stretches as well.
The last few weeks though he's been in a kind of "I don't give a frick" mode, where he just kind of throws up 3 pointers and whatnot. I think it's more just a "let's just get through the regular season" mentality that's aided to his average play. But it hasn't just been Wade. It's been the whole team. Pretty sure it'll right itself over time. Bigger concern for Heat is Bosh's inconsistencies.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 8:44 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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wonder how Durant will react to being physically bullied like he was last year in the playoffs
WESTBROOK WOULDN'T GIVE HIM THE BALL!!!
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