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re: Greatest Astro of all time?
Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:47 am to tigerdup07
Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:47 am to tigerdup07
Randy Johnson
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 7:52 am to Tiger Ryno
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Biggio is the gratest astro. His prime was better than anyone elses prime in terms of peak and longevity of his prime.
No Bagwell beats him out in every hitting category. Look at the numbers I posted.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 9:36 am to 5 Deep
Ryan and then Bags
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:12 am to rileytiger
Bagwell, but glad someone mentioned Cedano. He was probably the best all around player that the Astros had.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:26 am to LSUFanNTX
Jesus
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:32 am to Lithium
It took way too long for somebody to mention this, but I vote for Glen Davis's stache as best Astro of all-time.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 10:35 am to Bench McElroy
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He's arguably the greatest all-around 1st baseman to ever play the game.
Just think of the numbers Glen Davis would have put up if he played half his career at Minute Maid and was juiced up as much as Bags.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:00 am to Hot Carl
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Just think of the numbers Glen Davis would have put up if he played half his career at Minute Maid and was juiced up as much as Bags.
he played most of his career in the Astrodome, a notoriously pitcher friendly park
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:07 am to Hot Carl
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juiced up
I can't believe Bagwell is getting so much love and the juicing isn't a bigger subject.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:17 am to Hot Carl
1. Biggio ... Multi position all star, 3000 hits, leader, full career with Astros, first ballot hall of fame
1a. Ryan ... Actually much better than Biggio, but alot of that better was with other teams. If you ask best player to ever play with Astros it's Ryan, but then that starts a list with Morgan, Randy Johnson, etc.
3. Bagwell ... Should be hall of fame but won't because steroid rumors ... Full career with Astros.
4. Cruz .... Great career. All with Astros. Consistent.
5. Cedeno ... Great player, hurt by Astrodome size or his offensive stats would have been better.
Top 15 Honorable mention: Wynn, Dierker, Richard, Dave Radar, Berkman, Oswalt, Wagner, Morgan, Davis, Scott, Bass, Doran, Knepper, Bob Watson, Ashby
Top 5 could have been: Caminiti (drugs), Lidge (head and trade), Thon (beaned in the eye), Beltran (made huge mistake going to NY), Hampton (made huge mistake going to Colorado)
1a. Ryan ... Actually much better than Biggio, but alot of that better was with other teams. If you ask best player to ever play with Astros it's Ryan, but then that starts a list with Morgan, Randy Johnson, etc.
3. Bagwell ... Should be hall of fame but won't because steroid rumors ... Full career with Astros.
4. Cruz .... Great career. All with Astros. Consistent.
5. Cedeno ... Great player, hurt by Astrodome size or his offensive stats would have been better.
Top 15 Honorable mention: Wynn, Dierker, Richard, Dave Radar, Berkman, Oswalt, Wagner, Morgan, Davis, Scott, Bass, Doran, Knepper, Bob Watson, Ashby
Top 5 could have been: Caminiti (drugs), Lidge (head and trade), Thon (beaned in the eye), Beltran (made huge mistake going to NY), Hampton (made huge mistake going to Colorado)
This post was edited on 4/30/11 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:27 am to 5 Deep
The obvious answer is Julio Lugo.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
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richard hidalgo
didn't he hit like 56 jacks one year?
just looked, 44 in the peak year of the steroid era.
This post was edited on 4/30/11 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:39 am to northeasttiger
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If you ask best player to ever play with Astros it's Ryan
Randy Johnson >>>>Nolan Ryan
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:44 am to TigerintheNO
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If you ask best player to ever play with Astros it's Ryan
Randy Johnson >>>>Nolan Ryan
Maybe but Johnson very short time Astro. Ryan decent part of his career and maybe best part of his career.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:50 am to CollegeFBRules
The answer is easily Bagwell.
Kurkjian
Posnanski
Crasnick
quote:- Tim Kurkjian
Jeff Bagwell is in that conversation as far as the best first basemen ever ... there's no way around that.
quote:- SI.com writer Joe Posnanski
OK, let me say this as clearly as I can possibly say it: Jeff Bagwell, in my opinion, is one of the greatest hitters in baseball history. His 149 OPS+ ranks 19th all-time among players with 8,000 plate appearances. He is one of only 16 players to finish a lengthy career with an on-base percentage higher than .400 (.408) and a slugging percentage higher than .500 (.540). Among those 16, only Ty Cobb and Barry Bonds stole more bases.
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Stark points out that Bagwell is the only first baseman ever to hit 400 home runs and steal 200 bases, and one of three first basemen (Lou Gehrig and Jimmie Foxx are the others) to score 1,500 runs and drive in 1,500 without logging significant DH time.
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Factoring in all the numbers, Lederer wrote that Bagwell is arguably the fourth-best first baseman ever behind Gehrig, Foxx and Albert Pujols.
Kurkjian
Posnanski
Crasnick
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:51 am to 5 Deep
Nolan Ryan, and no one else belongs in the discussion.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:52 am to OBUDan
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didn't he hit like 56 jacks one year?
just looked, 44 in the peak year of the steroid era.
Actually he hit 44 before he got big. He added 15-20 pounds of muscle the next season and everyone thought he was going to hit 60. His swing was changed and he sucked. I like to remember Hidalgo for his plus-plus arm in right, though.
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:53 am to Hot Carl
Name another 1B who brought as much to the table as Jeff Bagwell. He stole 30 bases twice and had over 200 career stole bases. He's the only 1B who's a member of the 30-30 club and he did it twice. He played good defense. In his prime, he hit over 40 HRs a year, was a .300 hitter and walked over 100 times a year. Oh and he put up all that in the fricking Astrodome which was a death knell to hitters. Give me another 1B who could do all that. Elite patience at the plate, outstanding baserunning, very good hitter for power and average, top-notch defense. The guy did everything well.
This post was edited on 4/30/11 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:57 am to Bench McElroy
Yeah, but steroids made him steal those bases, hit .300, take those walks and play good defense. And OMG, he moved to MMP as a spry youngster (10 yr vet) in his early 30s.
This post was edited on 4/30/11 at 11:59 am
Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:01 pm to Ninja Looter
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I like to remember Hidalgo for his plus-plus arm in right, though.
Now doubt, great arm.
Solid player.
Nice reading on Bagwell
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