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re: Goran Dragic named NBA Most Improved player by a landslide
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:24 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:24 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:temporarily
Did we just become best friends?
your next post on pels talk will probably end it
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:25 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Dragic is playing almost the same minutes, but not only did all of his stats go up, but his efficiency went way up, too.
All of his stats didn't go up...His assists dropped by 1.5 while his TOs remained the same.
Usage up. Rebounds same. Steals/Blocks down. Assists/Assist % down. Turnovers slightly better (he turned it over less per possession).
Every single part of AD's game got better except his rebounding % stayed the same.
This isn't the Most Improved Transition from PG to Combo Guard Award. It's the Most Improved Player award.
ETA: AD lost this award with our record, injuries, and the pack mentality of the voters.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:25 am to Fearthehat0307
Deserving. Dragic was on another level this year.
Davis will get his eventually.
Davis will get his eventually.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:25 am to Fearthehat0307
Yeah if Anthony Bennett starts playing at a all-star level next year then he would get my vote
AD is an exception because he was pretty damn good last year as rookie that was pretty banged up all year
AD is an exception because he was pretty damn good last year as rookie that was pretty banged up all year
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:27 am to RTR America
quote:if I wasn't lazy i'd go find and post the gif of his awesome screen hustle. feels necessary here
Yeah if Anthony Bennett starts playing at a all-star level next year then he would get my vote
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:29 am to RTR America
quote:yeah AD's rookie season has been played down way too much. he was a lot better last year than the perception by so called "experts". i'm guessing most of them didn't watch any hornets games last year. monty also kept him on a lower than desired minute count
AD is an exception because he was pretty damn good last year as rookie that was pretty banged up all year
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:29 am to Fearthehat0307
Bill Simmons reacts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:31 am to RTR America
quote:similar to my reaction during the draft. I had a giant wtf look on my face followed by confused laughter
Bill Simmons reacts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:42 am to ShamelessPel
quote:Okay, I didn't mean literally.
All of his stats didn't go up...His assists dropped by 1.5 while his TOs remained the same.
Usage up. Rebounds same. Steals/Blocks down. Assists/Assist % down. Turnovers slightly better (he turned it over less per possession).
Every single part of AD's game got better except his rebounding % stayed the same.
Dragic's steals going from 1.6 per game to 1.4 isn't "going down" in my opinion. It's such a small movement that it's virtually the same.
But the things that went up went up much more than the areas where Davis' stats went up. The only area where Davis had a noticeable increase was points. He increased 4.4 points per 36 minutes from last year.
Dragic increased 5.0 points per 36 minutes. And all of his efficiency percentages went way up, too.
I mean, I don't see how you could make the case that Davis showed more improvement than Dragic statistically.
The person who really got screwed is Gerald Green. He improved just as much as Dragic did...
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:57 am to PrimeTime Money
Davis Advanced Stats
Dragic Advanced Stats
Across the board, Davis didn't improve in Reb % and Steal %, though those areas were more marginal than Dragic's dips. Everything else, quite literally, improved. I mean I know it's hard for the Pelsessed Rocketards that troll PT to admit that the Pels have anything nice and shiny.
Oh, and did I mention, uhh Monty Williams vs. Jeff Hornacek? The Suns DOUBLED their win total from last year. This is as much a team award as it is an individual award. Like people will say, the criteria is subjective on all of these individual awards.
Dragic Advanced Stats
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I mean, I don't see how you could make the case that Davis showed more improvement than Dragic statistically.
Across the board, Davis didn't improve in Reb % and Steal %, though those areas were more marginal than Dragic's dips. Everything else, quite literally, improved. I mean I know it's hard for the Pelsessed Rocketards that troll PT to admit that the Pels have anything nice and shiny.
Oh, and did I mention, uhh Monty Williams vs. Jeff Hornacek? The Suns DOUBLED their win total from last year. This is as much a team award as it is an individual award. Like people will say, the criteria is subjective on all of these individual awards.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:50 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:I never said he didn't improve.
Across the board, Davis didn't improve in Reb % and Steal %, though those areas were more marginal than Dragic's dips. Everything else, quite literally, improved. I mean I know it's hard for the Pelsessed Rocketards that troll PT to admit that the Pels have anything nice and shiny.
I said he didn't improve as much as Dragic statistically.
And who cares about Williams vs. Hornacek? It doesn't matter WHY they improved. The only thing that matters is that they did improve.
And as for your point about being a "pelsessed rocketard", I'm not a troll who never gives credit and says stupid things to get a rise. I came into the season with nothing against the Pelicans. I even made all of those Pelican signatures some people are using (#TimeToFlap). I'm not a hater. It's generally Pelicans fans who starts talking crap and taking offense if a poster talks about their team realistically instead of pumping sunshine.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
It's generally Pelicans fans who starts talking crap and taking offense if a poster talks about their team realistically instead of pumping sunshine.
+11111111111
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:13 pm to RTR America
quote:
He wasn't even the most improved player on his own team. Gerald Green should have won that award.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
And as for your point about being a "pelsessed rocketard", I'm not a troll who never gives credit and says stupid things to get a rise.
Boom agrees with you so not a good look. Coincidence that you're the only one in here flapping your gums about the mention of Davis winning the MIP award?
I didn't say I disagree with the decision as the Suns have to win some awards this year for their ridiculous improvement. My point is only that, were the voters to go off black and white ink, Davis has a more valid argument than Dragic.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:30 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
Davis has a more valid argument than Dragic.
If this was the case Dragic wouldn't have won in such a landslide.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:31 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
Coincidence that you're the only one in here flapping your gums about the mention of Davis winning the MIP award?
I've learned to ignore your pels related posts for the most part, I'm sure others have followed suit.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:35 pm to RTR America
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If this was the case Dragic wouldn't have won in such a landslide.
I notice how you took one piece of my sentence to frame your argument. When was the last time a #1 pick finished 3rd in his 2nd year? If he had been picked 23 and made the same jump it's a different story.
If he hadn't of gotten dinged and ruined his per game averages late in the season, it would have been harder to vote against him.
Davis has so many factors working against him:
- Team Records
- Injuries/Being held out of games
- Being the #1 pick
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:36 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:Umm.. what? There were plenty of others, including Pelicans posters, who said in this thread that Dragic deserved it instead of Davis.
Boom agrees with you so not a good look. Coincidence that you're the only one in here flapping your gums about the mention of Davis winning the MIP award?
quote:And that is where I disagree. Dragic had a much more drastic improvement overall than Davis did.
I didn't say I disagree with the decision as the Suns have to win some awards this year for their ridiculous improvement. My point is only that, were the voters to go off black and white ink, Davis has a more valid argument than Dragic.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:38 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
Injuries/Being held out of games
he'll never win any awards if he misses 15+ games every year. that may be something he won't overcome,
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:40 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
I notice how you took one piece of my sentence to frame your argument. When was the last time a #1 pick finished 3rd in his 2nd year? If he had been picked 23 and made the same jump it's a different story.
Sort of making the point of why he shouldn't have won it. I expected AD to make this sort of leap this year and majority of people around the league would agree.
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If he hadn't of gotten dinged and ruined his per game averages late in the season
If AD wasn't so banged up his rookie season than the jump in his numbers wouldn't have been so large
You are acting like Dragic was healthy the entire season
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Davis has so many factors working against him:
Dragic had a larger one; his teammate came in 4th place of this year's voting, which means he obviously stole some of Dragic's votes.
AD is one of my favorite players in the league (Pels have been one of my league pass teams the past two years because of him), but Dragic deserved this award.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 1:41 pm
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