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Fresh off the Dustin Johnson US Open fiasco, the women's US Open

Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:58 pm
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 7/10/16 at 7:58 pm
Another gotcha ruling.

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After both players parred the first playoff hole, the 16th, Nordqvist was hitting out of a bunker on the 17th. Video replays showed that her club contacted the sand -- ever so slightly -- before starting her backswing. The players went on to par the 17th while the USGA reviewed video of the incident. They were notified of the ruling -- a two-stroke penalty to Nordqvist -- while hitting their approaches to the 18th green at CordeValle in Northern California.
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:01 pm to
The ruling is harsh, but she clearly touched the sand. The USGA dropped the ball again though in his they handled it.
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:03 pm to
Not disagreeing, but this is just a Mickey Mouse operation the way the USGA handles the ruling.
Posted by Swagga
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Member since Dec 2009
16141 posts
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:05 pm to
O I completely agree.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21662 posts
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:15 pm to
How would you have handled it differently? They notified both players asap.

The USGA also didn't know the name of the champion in the awards ceremony...LINK
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
7703 posts
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:17 pm to
Murphy has been disastrous the two times she's appeared on tv ...
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98745 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:15 am to
The problem with this is that Norqvist wasn't told until AFTER her 3rd shot (approach) on 18, but Lang was told before her 3rd (approach). Completely changed how the hole was (or would have) been played.
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
5978 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:25 am to
USGA has been amateur hour lately.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84870 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:27 am to
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The problem with this is that



the USGA lets people call in and report rule violations that weren't visible during the course of the actual round.

If you didn't see it, it didn't happen. I'm all for getting it right, but there is no timely way to get the ruling to the players and still give them enough time to dictate strategy. If you cannot find a more efficient and quicker method, stop listening to these miserable rule nazis at home.
Posted by reggo75
Iowa, LA
Member since Jan 2016
1433 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:37 am to
They need to use technology but they need to find a way to do it efficiently and have a finality within that group.

Each group has a rules official. Give that dude an IPAD and have them review any questionable calls before teeing off on the next hole. If he doesn't see it or the players don't see it, then it's a done deal and can not be reviewed.

I really think the USGA and R&A need to evaluate some of these rules of golf to have them make sense with today's courses and today's climate of golf.

The rule that was scrutinized against Dustin Johnson really has no place in golf. Moved or didn't move by grounding the club... who gives a shite... it doesn't affect the outcome. If the ball rolls down the hill after grounding the club who gives a shite... play the next shot from wherever it stops! A stroke should count as a stroke. If the ball moves closer to the hole, then replace it in the original spot with no penalty.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82026 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:54 am to
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The USGA also didn't know the name of the champion in the awards ceremony...LINK
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14663 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:01 am to
quote:

The rule that was scrutinized against Dustin Johnson really has no place in golf. Moved or didn't move by grounding the club... who gives a shite... it doesn't affect the outcome.

If he made it move, that's a stroke and could definitely affect the outcome.
Posted by MSH
America
Member since Oct 2014
2785 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:03 am to
Good thing nobody cares about women's golf.
Posted by Skin
Member since Jun 2007
6370 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:06 am to
For the integrity of the game, she should have called the penalty on herself to begin with.
Posted by TheChosenOne
Member since Dec 2005
18518 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:06 am to
quote:

the USGA lets people call in and report rule violations that weren't visible during the course of the actual round.


I agree.

They need to make a change that reviews will only happen if a player or rules official requests one. Until they do this, you'll continue to have tournaments marred by situations like this.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
103060 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:23 am to
I like the usga. They don't let tiger blatantly cheat like the dicks and frauds at the masters did.
Posted by Ford Frenzy
337 posts
Member since Aug 2010
6876 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:48 am to
the call-in rules violations and replay needs to go away....let the players govern themselves like in the old days
Posted by reggo75
Iowa, LA
Member since Jan 2016
1433 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:53 am to
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If he made it move, that's a stroke and could definitely affect the outcome


My point is that I think they should re-evaluate this rule... It's pointless. If you sole your putter and the ball moves a millimeter it SHOULDN'T affect the outcome. The player did not make a stroke on the ball and moving a millimeter doesn't really matter.

I've played golf for about 35 years and I think some of the rules are pretty pointless. Maybe back in the day when the modern rules were adopted they thought these things were important and they are trying to maintain the history of the rules of the game. In my opinion the times change and the rules should change with them.
Posted by rpg005
Member since Apr 2010
700 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:56 am to
quote:


For the integrity of the game, she should have called the penalty on herself to begin with.



No way she could have seen that and called it on herself, IMO.

I agree with the ruling, but the relay of information was timed very poorly.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14663 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:07 am to
quote:

If you sole your putter and the ball moves a millimeter it SHOULDN'T affect the outcome.

Then where do you draw the line? A millimeter? 5 mm? An inch? Do we really want to see officials out there with a measuring tape? Much easier to say that if you cause the ball to move, it counts as a stroke.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 10:08 am
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