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re: Former Players, Staff Reveal Troubling Allegations of Toxic Culture Under P.J. Fleck

Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by Bankshot
Member since Jun 2006
5375 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:24 pm to
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Fleck would reenter a room if he didn’t like the ovation he received


Who among us doesn't do this?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70542 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:24 pm to
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Dan Nichol, Minnesota’s head football strength and conditioning coach who followed Fleck over from Western Michigan and interned at Iowa under disgraced strength coach Chris Doyle, gathered the team together after Fleck was hired, one of the former players said. The instruction was simple: Clap whenever Fleck entered the locker room.

“We had to [practice giving Fleck ovations] multiple times — the first time, because some other people in the back were not moving as quick as he wanted,” a third player told FOS.

Two other former players said that Fleck would reenter a room if he didn’t like the ovation he received.


This seems like a really simple way to measure "buy in" and while weird, it's also pretty smart.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155890 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 3:33 pm to
Basically just calling out his douchey motivational approach. Not toxic. The elite thing is so cringe.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36721 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:02 pm to
loads of useless corp mangers are going to be sweating if dumb acronyms are examples of toxic culture
Posted by Akit1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2006
7633 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:02 pm to
What’s the conversion rate of PJ Fleck bank notes to Schrute bucks?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30265 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 4:12 pm to
You have to realize, in the left-wing media and American academia, the college football head coach is the embodiment of the exploitative white male power structure. On top of that, college football is massively popular among males in the South and Midwest - which tends to skew conservative. Anything that degrades or eliminates cultural and social activities favored by that group is to be supported. If, at the same time, you can humiliate and ruin these evil white male coaches; well, that's just a cherry on top. Look how 90% of the pro-NIL coverage was portrayed.
Posted by Downeast12
Member since Jun 2022
547 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:26 pm to
I can’t believe I wasted my time reading that shite. Fleck is kind of a goober and I think the acronyms are corny, but what is he doing wrong?

What team or organization on the planet doesn’t have a handful of disgruntled players/employees who talk bad about the boss behind their backs?

The players complaining were probably low character guys. This gives me Texas Tech and Adam James vibes.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10677 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:20 pm to
I don't get having to give him a standing ovation when he enters a room and have to practice standing ovations. That's like North Korean type stuff when the Kim Jung-un enters the room. His slogans and the acronyms are silly.
Posted by AkronTiger
Rubber City
Member since May 2021
1504 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:22 pm to
nothing article imo
Posted by Indiangensing
Member since Nov 2017
1522 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:44 pm to
Or like standing at attention when a US military officer enters the room... sure its corny but its not comparable to a dictator lol
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27725 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:55 pm to
My God!!! These people are pussies!!!

Other than community outreach, this was standard stuff


In High School!!!!
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45199 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:26 pm to
That clapping anytime fleck entered the room is weird. He has some other odd things going on but they seem to team building to me. I like the drug thing. Ok you test hot but you’re doing most program things right, we aren’t going to throw you away. You will chances to get it right as long as you stay on the path, I like that. My big take on this is Fleck is a weird dude, newsflash we already knew this.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12120 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:13 pm to
Playing favorites
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15051 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:38 pm to

Two other players who were holdovers from the prior regime told FOS that indoctrination started right after Fleck was hired as head coach in January 2017.

Dan Nichol, Minnesota’s head football strength and conditioning coach who followed Fleck over from Western Michigan and interned at Iowa under disgraced strength coach Chris Doyle, gathered the team together after Fleck was hired, one of the former players said. The instruction was simple: Clap whenever Fleck entered the locker room.

“We had to practice giving Fleck ovations multiple times — the first time, because some other people in the back were not moving as quick as he wanted,” a third player told FOS.

Two other former players said that Fleck would reenter a room if he didn’t like the ovation he received.

After that first team meeting in 2017, players received a three-ring binder they were required to memorize and on which they were tested. FOS obtained several pages of the binder used by Fleck during his time at Minnesota.

The third player said that one acronym stood out: F.A.M.I.L.Y., short for “Forget About Me, I Love You.”

“He was making us say, forget about yourself as an individual,” the player said. “I was baffled because it’s not anything logical. If you forget about yourself, then who are you?”

Added a fourth player: “It’s based around Fleck’s ego. You have to talk a certain way. You have to be a certain way. … Within that building of the University of Minnesota, it’s very much like brainwashing.”

The pages obtained by FOS include nomenclature common to sports with inspirational quotes, and most are pretty self-explanatory.

“The Pain of Discipline VS. The Pain of Regret”
“Your how Creates Your who”
“If You’re Juiceless, You’re Useless If You’re Juiceful, You’re Useful”
“Roof Over Your Head – Better Off Than 73% of The World”
But some of the nearly 20 acronyms players were tested on were more abstract.

H.Y.P.R.R. — How/Yours/Process/Result/Response
T.H.I.N.K. — Truthful, Helpful, Inspirational, Necessary, Kind
F.I.S.T. — Family Invested Same Time “Keep it Tight”
S.F./A.M./F.S. — Start Fast, Accelerate Middle, Finish Strong

There was only one acceptable answer when Fleck and other staff members asked, “How are you doing?”

“I’m elite.”



Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33717 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:53 pm to
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read the whole thing....99.9999% of that is complete horse shite. They required community service, you were rewarded for good grades & forced to make good grades and made you drink protein shakes in front of them? ummm... A) community service is required at lots of places.


frick we had community service on our college track team. The horror
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37161 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:07 pm to
So he’s cringy, kind of a douche, and gives off Joel Osteen vibes?

Didn’t we know this already?
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29429 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:12 am to
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Two other former players said that Fleck would reenter a room if he didn’t like the ovation he received.

I’ve done this at work before.

quote:

He was making us say, forget about yourself as an individual,” the player said. “I was baffled because it’s not anything logical. If you forget about yourself, then who are you?”


Guess this guy has never seen Remember the Titans.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158781 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:28 am to
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There was only one acceptable answer when Fleck and other staff members asked, “How are you doing?”

“I’m elite.”

“It was sickening because I wasn’t OK,” the first player said, “I wasn’t in a good mental spot. I was struggling. I was fighting every day just to get by or find hope. It’s not natural to say when someone asks how you’re doing to say, ‘I am elite.’ When I said, ‘I’m good,’ [Fleck] would respond, ‘Oh, you’re not elite?’ He would either get all frustrated and walk off, or I’d be told, ‘You’re supposed to say elite.’ Inside, I was not feeling anywhere near that.”


Imagine giving this quote and thinking you don’t come off as a gigantic pussy
Posted by Hook Em Horns
350000 posts
Member since Sep 2010
15128 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:02 am to
Oh frick you pj fleck. Want me to give you a standing ovation when you enter the room? And then call me out if I didn't bring enough "energy" why doesn't one of these kids tell him to frick off? I most certainly would.
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
46495 posts
Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:05 am to
There’s a good reason the players’ names aren’t attached. This pussy shite would get them laughed out of any conversation.
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