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re: For those who support a 12+ team CFB playoff…
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:29 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:29 am to StormyMcMan
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In an expanded playoff situation, if you lose, you only "sacrifice" a potential at large bid and could effect your seeding. But if you win, you gain a potential at large bid if you drop a game in conference and possibly get higher seeding. So the trade off flips to there being a bigger upside and a minimal downside. Because of this I think you will end up with more quality matchups in the regular season.
You could spin that in the other direction as well. Why risk injuries against quality opponents? Treat non-conference like a pre-season. Just focus on winning your conference. If you don't then force the committee to leave you out and lean on your conference SOS.
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Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:34 am to JoeHackett
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Iowa State is good enough to give just about any teams a helluva game
But that shouldn't be the criteria for a shot at a title.
College football has by far the best regular season in sports. It has an ok postseason. I'm fine with that. I enjoy watching 2019 LSU v Bama. That is a playoff game.
I think a lot of people want it to be more like the NFL but like I've said, big time college football teams don't play 12 real games per year. NFL teams play 17 real games. So a 9-3 college record is not as impressive as a 11-6 NFL record.
Iowa State would greatly benefit from making the dance. Once Clemson got it's foot in the door under DABO, the money and the top players started choosing Clemson and we compete with any school in the nation. If we were still in the BCS era I doubt that would be the case.
Let me tell you..it sucked Being Florida State's bitch for a very long time. Now the roles are reversed and they are our bitches and it's a good thing. You would want Oklahoma and Texas kissing your schools arse?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:38 am to dawgfan24348
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Ah yes the FCS has never recovered from the horrific 16 team playoff
Their fan interest is through the roof!
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:43 am to JoeHackett
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Just focus on winning your conference. If you don't then force the committee to leave you out and lean on your conference SOS.
This is literally what is happening today with the SEC
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:47 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Iowa State would greatly benefit from making the dance. Once Clemson got it's foot in the door under DABO, the money and the top players started choosing Clemson and we compete with any school in the nation. If we were still in the BCS era I doubt that would be the case.
Apples to oranges. Clemson is well-located to recruit and has serious resources committed to football. Iowa State making a 12 team playoff and getting shelled by a power in the first round isn’t going to make some 5* from Florida want to go there.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:49 am to Roger Klarvin
Yes. Wanting an exciting playoff to watch makes you retarded. Great logic.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:50 am to QJenk
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Wanting an exciting playoff to watch makes you retarded
No, but thinking an expanded playoff will be exciting does.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:56 am to Crowknowsbest
4 team playoff is shite. Cant imagine 12 team. Guess college fb can go in the dumpster too. People cant leave well enough alone
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:57 am to Roger Klarvin
It should be done in small increments.
A 6 team playoff is the logical next step with the top 2 teams getting a bye.
A 6 team playoff is the logical next step with the top 2 teams getting a bye.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:00 pm to Jack Ruby
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Just go ahead and break off from the ncaa and become the NFL's official minor league system and suck every bit of life left out of a once great sport.
This will kill everything left that is decent about College Football... And it ain't much right now as it is in its current state.
But this is exactly what it is, and always has been. D1 FBS college football is a minor league for the NFL. Who does the NFL draft 95% of their players from? FBS schools.
For over 90% of athletes who play D1 ball, their ultimate goal is to play in the NFL. These guys aren't choosing LSU and Bama because they really fell in love with Baton Rouge or Tuscaloosa. They aren't going to to these schools because they really feel that they will be challenged academically. They are going somewhere who they think will set them up and prepare them to play in the NFL.
Why pretend otherwise. It still makes for great football.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:00 pm to oleyeller
IMO, a Group of 5 program had a better chance of winning a title in the BCS. Schedule a couple power 5 teams out of conference, go undefeated in a wonky 2007-type year to make the title game, and win a one-off miracle upset.
That’s a remote chance, but it’s a better shot than having to go undefeated or maybe with 1 regular season loss, and then actually beat 4 top programs in a row in the playoffs.
That’s a remote chance, but it’s a better shot than having to go undefeated or maybe with 1 regular season loss, and then actually beat 4 top programs in a row in the playoffs.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:03 pm to cajuntiger1010
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BCS Era CFB had the most meaningful regular season. Now 3+ loss teams will be able to compete for a title. Crazy
The BCS era also had multiple deserving teams be left out of the championship just because. It was fun football to watch, but am absolutely terrible way to crown a true champion.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:06 pm to LSUAlum2001
The biggest lie is the ones people tell themselves that the regular season is a playoff.
Sure. Let's call it a playoff.
It a single elimination playoff for teams like South Carolina and Mississippi State.
It's double elimination for big teams like Bama and Ohio State. During the BCS era, LSU certainly got the benefit of it, too.
Any system where there can be legitimate doubt on the NC is one that should be changed.
Sure. Let's call it a playoff.
It a single elimination playoff for teams like South Carolina and Mississippi State.
It's double elimination for big teams like Bama and Ohio State. During the BCS era, LSU certainly got the benefit of it, too.
Any system where there can be legitimate doubt on the NC is one that should be changed.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:21 pm to Roger Klarvin
You think the CURRENT system is good? A 4 team playoff is killing parity in major college football. The overwhelming majority of playoff spots have gone to 3 or 4 programs. The regular season is already meaningless for the vast majority of teams, because they don't have a chance in hell of making a meaningful bowl game. Hell, it doesn't mean anything if you are one of those 4 or 5 magical programs that is afforded the opportunity to lose a game and still make the playoff.
At least opening up the playoff to more teams has the potential to increase parity in the FBS. As it stands now, I don't know why the G5 and half of the Power 5 schools don't just break off and form a new division.
Anyone that is okay with the current system is the one with the problem. Who could possibly like a system where Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma have accounted for 20 of the 28 selections and all but one of the CFP National Championships awarded under the system? Hell, those 4 teams have accounted for 11 of the 14 spots in the National Championship.
At least opening up the playoff to more teams has the potential to increase parity in the FBS. As it stands now, I don't know why the G5 and half of the Power 5 schools don't just break off and form a new division.
Anyone that is okay with the current system is the one with the problem. Who could possibly like a system where Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma have accounted for 20 of the 28 selections and all but one of the CFP National Championships awarded under the system? Hell, those 4 teams have accounted for 11 of the 14 spots in the National Championship.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:27 pm to BeepNode
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Society seems to demand conformity these days. CFB is different than the other sports in that regular season games for top tier teams are dramatic and high stakes. They demand that we make it just like all the other sports. It'll eventually be 16 teams, then 18 teams with a play-in. NFL minor leagues, basically.
Great post.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:27 pm to Cowboyfan89
A very easy way to spread talent out is reduce scholarships per year and on a roster at one time. I have yet to hear any argument on why going from signing 25 per year to signing 18 per year is a bad idea. Or why going from allowing 85 scholarships on a roster at one time to allowing 60 scholarships on a roster at one time is a bad idea.
Within 3-4 seasons, a ton more teams would be in the mix to be a national title contender.
Within 3-4 seasons, a ton more teams would be in the mix to be a national title contender.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 12:56 pm to QJenk
Delly just tweeted this, not sure if already discussed:
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As we've written before, industry insiders claim that CFP expansion is happening because it will give more access
Two data points to consider, sources say:
- 4% of CFB teams make postseason while that number is 25% in other NCAA sports
- 71% of playoff spots have gone to 4 teams
Posted on 6/10/21 at 1:00 pm to sicboy
I'm not necessarily FOR an expanded playoff (I've been fine with the 6 team model), but the biggest difference between football and other NCAA sports is the existence of bowl games. Even if you aren't one of the top 4 teams, you can be mediocre and still make "postseason".
Posted on 6/10/21 at 1:26 pm to sicboy
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Even if you aren't one of the top 4 teams, you can be mediocre and still make "postseason".
And look how prevalent the "opt out" culture has become with the combination of the Playoff and Bowl Games. If guys aren't playing for a national title, they'd rather sit out of those "postseason" games, because they see them as a liability if they get hurt. Those bowl games mean nothing to some of these players now.
The fact is, no matter how you split it, the regular season doesn't mean a damn thing for the majority of the FBS if the end goal is to be the National Champion. Because if 1) you aren't a P5 school or Notre Dame; 2) you aren't a P5 Champion; and 3) you aren't Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, or Oklahoma; then you might as well throw in the towel and pray for some decent swag at some bowl game no one really cares about.
Want to reduce opt outs, increase parity, and make the regular season matter to more teams than just the Top 8 or 10 teams of the P5? Expand the playoff.
Otherwise, drop the charade, put Bama, Dabo, Bucky, and Lincoln in the playoff in September and just get it over with.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 6/10/21 at 2:19 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Who could possibly like a system where Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma have accounted for 20 of the 28 selections and all but one of the CFP National Championships awarded under the system?
Well as a Clemson fan it's pretty good. But I have no problem with opening up the tournament to more teams. I don't think taking the best 12 out of 130 schools is going to rock the boat.
The FCS has a big tourney and you still have North Dakota State dominating most of the time so I wouldn't expect to top 4 losing much of a grip anytime soon in an expanded tournament.
This post was edited on 6/10/21 at 2:20 pm
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