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re: First Team ALL-NBA
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:53 pm to DollaChoppa
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:53 pm to DollaChoppa
Bron Bron played less and was MVP broheem!
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Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:55 pm to SprintFun
quote:
Didn't Kobe play a career LOW number of minutes this season? You're going to punish Kobe for playing on a better team?
They should have had to pick a PG; therefore, they should have decided on one SG. It would have been ridiculous for them to not include Wade with the season he had. Kobe made it because he is the anointed one by the media. As I said he is no better than a number of superstars.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:55 pm to DollaChoppa
yeah too many people do dolla. i sorry.
i just think it is more aesthetically appealing with no edits under the postings.
i just think it is more aesthetically appealing with no edits under the postings.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:57 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
Another reason for the timestamp edit function on this site.
ETA: But I posted before you edited, so you wouldn't have been able to get by on that one.
But alas.
I clicked to begin editing before you had posted. You beat me to it and I looked like an idiot.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:58 pm to lsutiger2486
quote:
I clicked to begin editing before you had posted. You beat me to it and I looked like an idiot.
I no dood. I'm talking about the new timestamp editing rules that have been proposed.
Look for them at a future date. tia and keep posting.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 12:59 pm to KosmoCramer
bron bron has like the 5th best PER ever
none of kobes best PERs are even top 15.
unlike cp3, tmac, dwade, lebron, shaq, mj, wilt
none of kobes best PERs are even top 15.
unlike cp3, tmac, dwade, lebron, shaq, mj, wilt
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:00 pm to DollaChoppa
lol at comparing
to
quote:
cp3, tmac, dwade, lebron,
to
quote:
shaq, mj, wilt
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:03 pm to KosmoCramer
im not comparing them. im listing them as people who have all had better individual seasons than kobe
damn edit
damn edit
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:05 pm to DollaChoppa
dolla, are you on the edit timestamp rule change train yet?
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:07 pm to KosmoCramer
no, it only annoys me now cuz u guys r makin fun of me lol
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:08 pm to Boomshockalocka
By total votes regardless of position:
1 Lebron 610
2 Kobe 604
3 Howard 598
4 Wade 572
5 Paul 424
6 Dirk 383
7 Duncan 378
8 Yao 354
9 Pierce 330
10 Roy 189
11 Gasol 165
12 Parker 158
13 Billups 131
14 Carmelo 116
15 Deron 105
16 Garnett 72
17 Shaq 68
18 Bosh 56
19 Johnson 36
20 Durant 34
21 Granger 25
22 West 12
They got the top 5 right but the next 5 are questionable IMO.
1 Lebron 610
2 Kobe 604
3 Howard 598
4 Wade 572
5 Paul 424
6 Dirk 383
7 Duncan 378
8 Yao 354
9 Pierce 330
10 Roy 189
11 Gasol 165
12 Parker 158
13 Billups 131
14 Carmelo 116
15 Deron 105
16 Garnett 72
17 Shaq 68
18 Bosh 56
19 Johnson 36
20 Durant 34
21 Granger 25
22 West 12
They got the top 5 right but the next 5 are questionable IMO.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:17 pm to DollaChoppa
quote:
bron bron has like the 5th best PER ever
are you talking career or this season? he's top 3 career, but i believe that his single season this year is 2nd only behind one of MJ's years. lebron had a 31.7 this year and MJ's record is 31.89
eta: what i posted are hollinger's PER stats, for some reason they differ slightly from what basketballreference lists
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:21 pm to TulaneTigerFan
i dont think the PER ur using includes wilt. cuz wilt is like #1,2. then mj is like 3 and wilt is 4th and lebron is 5th.... somethin like that.
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:23 pm to DollaChoppa
Wilt
Wilt
MJ
Lebron
Wilt
Wilt
MJ
Lebron
Wilt
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:23 pm to DollaChoppa
i'm using hollinger's numbers. he calculates MJ's best season differently than basketballreference and he doesn't include wilt for some reason. i'd trust him over anybody else, PER is his deal
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:24 pm to SprintFun
alright close enough. my point still stands tho. you dont reward a guy for playing less. and saying lebron played less is silly because he has the 4th best PER ever. if kobe had played less AND put up those numbers then it wouldnt matter.
Kobes PER this year was like #200 somethin of all time fwiw
Kobes PER this year was like #200 somethin of all time fwiw
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:34 pm to DollaChoppa
I just don't know why you would not put a PG on the list when you have a good set of them. Kobe and Wade most always play SG. So they bumped off a legit All-NBA player to put someone on from a different position.
If the top 5 players were all forwards would be have an All-NBA team of all forwards? The answer is no.
Possible scenarios:
PG PG PG
SG SG SG
SF SF SG
PF PF PF
C PF PF
Since Lebron is a Lock and so is Howard. That puts you with the first set; Therefore
PG Paul
SG Wade
SF James
PF Nowitzki
C Howard
If the top 5 players were all forwards would be have an All-NBA team of all forwards? The answer is no.
Possible scenarios:
PG PG PG
SG SG SG
SF SF SG
PF PF PF
C PF PF
Since Lebron is a Lock and so is Howard. That puts you with the first set; Therefore
PG Paul
SG Wade
SF James
PF Nowitzki
C Howard
Posted on 5/13/09 at 1:54 pm to NorthEndZone
By total votes regardless of position (Hollinger PER and ranking in parentheses)
1 Lebron 610 (31.76 #1)
2 Kobe 604 (24.46 #6)
3 Howard 598 (25.44 #4)
4 Wade 572 (30.46 #2)
5 Paul 424 (30.04 #3)
6 Dirk 383 (23.20 #9)
7 Duncan 378 (24.51 #5)
8 Yao 354 (22.74 #12)
9 Pierce 330 (17.74 and not in top 50)
10 Roy 189 (24.08 #7)
11 Gasol 165 (22.31 #14)
12 Parker 158 (23.47 #8)
13 Billups 131 (18.85 #38)
14 Carmelo 116 (19.09 #33)
15 Deron 105 (21.13 #19)
16 Garnett 72 (21.32 #18)
17 Shaq 68 (22.33 #13)
18 Bosh 56 (22.19 #15)
19 Johnson 36 (18.26 #50)
20 Durant 34 (20.85 #20)
21 Granger 25 (21.88 #16)
22 West 12 (19.00 #35)
The 3rd most efficient player (by far) did not make 1st team All-NBA.
1 Lebron 610 (31.76 #1)
2 Kobe 604 (24.46 #6)
3 Howard 598 (25.44 #4)
4 Wade 572 (30.46 #2)
5 Paul 424 (30.04 #3)
6 Dirk 383 (23.20 #9)
7 Duncan 378 (24.51 #5)
8 Yao 354 (22.74 #12)
9 Pierce 330 (17.74 and not in top 50)
10 Roy 189 (24.08 #7)
11 Gasol 165 (22.31 #14)
12 Parker 158 (23.47 #8)
13 Billups 131 (18.85 #38)
14 Carmelo 116 (19.09 #33)
15 Deron 105 (21.13 #19)
16 Garnett 72 (21.32 #18)
17 Shaq 68 (22.33 #13)
18 Bosh 56 (22.19 #15)
19 Johnson 36 (18.26 #50)
20 Durant 34 (20.85 #20)
21 Granger 25 (21.88 #16)
22 West 12 (19.00 #35)
The 3rd most efficient player (by far) did not make 1st team All-NBA.
This post was edited on 5/13/09 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/13/09 at 2:11 pm to KosmoCramer
Paul was also hurt by the fact his team had 16 less losses than Bryant and his stats were not quite as good as Wade's. Paul like Wade is the only major weapon on their team. The other players would suffer bigtime if Wade or Paul were not there.
Posted on 5/13/09 at 2:14 pm to lsutiger2486
If you are not going to take a player at each position, then why not just take the top 5 vote getters? I think that Kobe, DWade, & CP3 all should be on the first team.
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