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re: First Open Gay Athlete in American Team Sports

Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:28 am to
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:28 am to
Saw a story about some kicker last week trying to get a free agent contract in the NFL. Story comes out the week of the draft. Seems like there was another story as well about a past his prime athlete.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:30 am to
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but at the end of the day they wanna be treated as equals yet expect special treatment for announcing how gay they are?


special treatment = not wanting to live your entire life up until this moment in fear over your sexual preference?

yeah, that's some fricked up entitlement, dawg
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:32 am to
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special treatment = not wanting to live your entire life up until this moment in fear over your sexual preference?


What do they fear? It seems like this guy is already being celebrated by almost everyone.
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:36 am to
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but at the end of the day they wanna be treated as equals yet expect special treatment for announcing how gay they are?


What does this even mean? Can someone translate for me.
Posted by LSUROCKS52
Rest in Peace
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:37 am to
If he feared nothing, why would he have waited so long to "come out"?
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:40 am to
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If he feared nothing, why would he have waited so long to "come out"?


I am not saying he wasn't afraid. It just doesn't seem like in today's society he shouldn't be afraid to come out, but I have no idea how an NBA lockerroom would treat him.
Posted by EST
Investigating
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:41 am to
Too bad for him to have to face that.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8183 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:41 am to
Yea I don't wanna say this is all calculated, but I'm a cynical person. Any agent or manager of Collins with a pulse would've been telling him to come out as soon as they found out he was gay. Before he came out when's the last time his name had been talked about in the national media? Hell the local media? Now he's being blown by every single national sports personality there is for being brave and courageous.

No athletes are going to express anything but support and admiration, at least publicly their agents and pr people will make sure of that. He might get signed by a socially conscious owner in the offseason just so the owner can prove he's socially conscious. If not, I guarantee he'll get some endorsements with companies trying to associate themselves with being progressive, he'll get a book deal that will read alot better being about the first openly gay "active" athlete rather than being about a journeyman nba center. He'll get soeaking engagements.

Not saying this didn't take courage, but it's about as no lose a situation as you'll find. Yea some redneck morons might bash him online or in their homes but I guarantee Collins ends up in a better situation bc of this announcement, and he and his people knew that

ETA: there you go message board literature snob
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 11:45 am
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:42 am to
Paragraphs. Aint no one gonna read anything you just wrote
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:43 am to
If he was in today's society, being an athlete in the nba he was afraid. His teammates would have treated him differently, hell his coach may have, the issue of this being a big deal is media related. They have a lot more gay athletes and in a few years it will be common place until then these guys will be afraid because of the homophobia surrounding a gay athlete. So many straight makes believe a gay man is always checking them out.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:48 am to
That picture of him boxing out Blake.......
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:50 am to
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They have a lot more gay athletes and in a few years it will be common place until then these guys will be afraid because of the homophobia surrounding a gay athlete. So many straight makes believe a gay man is always checking them ou


This kind of Colin Cowherd was discussing earlier. He was like the NHL would probably be the most open to a gay athlete and the NFL seems to be pretty open to it, but no one seems to know where the NBA stands.

I can see the NBA leading to being the most homophobic group of guys just due to how the game is played. You know there are probably some guys out there that are like disgusted about the fact that this guy boxed them out at some point.

Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13533 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:55 am to
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sounds legit. He sucks.


ISWYDT
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:55 am to
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What do they fear? It seems like this guy is already being celebrated by almost everyone.



I agree he's being championed by some prolific figures and unsurprisingly by (implicitly or explicitly) liberal media outlets, but if you look at the comments section or check out the tag "Jason Collins Homo" on Twitter you're in for a horrifying vortex of vitriol.

He probably feared saying anything early on because it might have hobbled his chances going forward. Or maybe it would have helped? I think that that uncertainty for many gay people is weighed more with fear than hope, so it's smarter to come out after your career has sorta run its course.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 11:57 am
Posted by Brightside Bengal
Old Metairie
Member since Sep 2007
3883 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:56 am to
When this guys doesnt get picked up by another NBA team, it wont be because he's gay. It will be because of the distraction (media or otherwise) of having a gay guy on the roster. Its no different than most NFL teams not wanting to pick up Chad Johnson because his production is not worth the distractions he comes with.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:57 am to
He averages 1 point a game, who cares about this dude
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36416 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 11:58 am to
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He averages 1 point a game, who cares about this dude


It's still unprecedented for an active player to come out..even though he's a marginal player
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31910 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:00 pm to
You think he's dating Derek Rose?
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:00 pm to
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if you look at the comments section or check out the tag "Jason Collins Homo" on Twitter you're in for a horrifying vortex of vitriol.


I try to avoid these type of things because they make lose hope for the future of humanity

Reading the comments for nearly any ESPN article is a painful experience

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He probably feared saying anything early on because it might have hobbled his chances going forward. Or maybe it would have helped? I think that that uncertainty for many gay people is weighed more with fear than hope, so it's smarter to come out after your career has sorta run its course.


I just think if you were a gay man and wanted to make stand for gay rights it would be to come out in the prime of their career. If there is bigotry among the league you could lead the way in making a change. I don't see a journeyman center who may not even play next year not having much of an effect on the thoughts of homosexuality in the league. But like you said we have no idea how he would have been treated.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 12:04 pm
Posted by JohnZeroQ
Pelicans of Lafourche
Member since Jan 2012
8513 posts
Posted on 4/29/13 at 12:01 pm to
Surprised it took this long honestly.
This post was edited on 4/29/13 at 2:48 pm
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