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Dwight Howard....most overrated role player?
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:52 am
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:52 am
I don't see the Magic getting anywhere near the finals without Hedo and Lewis...Howard is an exaggerated Ben Wallace in my mind. I mean I can see forming a team around him, but it would take lots and lots of help. Not nearly as dominant as Shaq or the Dream, needs a lot more work on the offensive end.
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Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:54 am to chuckyshah19
I think alot of people overrated him when they made the finals now I think alot of people are underrating him since he had a bad finals.
He's an all-star w/o question though
He's an all-star w/o question though
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:55 am to chuckyshah19
I don't think DH is a top 3 or 4 player in the league, but definately top 10. Not overrated IMO, Magic don't make it close to the finals if you switch DH and Kendrick Perkins out.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 11:58 am to fightingtiger2335
He is a funnier Mutumbo
he does score more though...
Mutumbo high for scoring in season 16.6ppg
Howards high was year before at 20.7ppg
Obviously Howard can get better since he is still young.
He has improved year after year who we compare him to today wont be same person we compare him to 5 years from now.
he does score more though...
Mutumbo high for scoring in season 16.6ppg
Howards high was year before at 20.7ppg
Obviously Howard can get better since he is still young.
He has improved year after year who we compare him to today wont be same person we compare him to 5 years from now.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:00 pm to chuckyshah19
i will take a role player who is averaging 18+ pts & 18+ rebounds on my team anytime....
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:01 pm to chuckyshah19
quote:
I don't see the Magic getting anywhere near the finals without Hedo and Lewis..
without D-Howard, those guys don't have such a great series against the Cavs.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:03 pm to Michael J Cocks
Hes great at defense and rebounding. he has to improve offensively thou. all he can do is dunk and not dunk like shaq used to. shaq would dunk on two guys, just knock guys out of the way. howard is not that strong. he is young thou and this may motivate him to get better
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:09 pm to Michael J Cocks
He made it to the finals with worst surrounding players than Shaq or The Dream ever had. PPL forget how young he is and he's only going to get better.
Hakeem had Drexler, Shaq had Kobe or Wade, Howard has Hedo and he made it to the finals. If you dont see the difference in talent around them than your blind.
Hakeem had Drexler, Shaq had Kobe or Wade, Howard has Hedo and he made it to the finals. If you dont see the difference in talent around them than your blind.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:14 pm to CM84
Errr.... ummmmm.... I think
Nelson, Alston, Lewis, Hedo, Pietrus are all pretty talented...
Howard, Nelson, Lewis are all-stars
Hedo is above avg player.... They just dont have star power as Gasol/Kobe/Fisher really.
What hurts Howard is he can not create a shot other than a dunk and if he has to pass out of post it seems like its a turnover every time.
Nelson, Alston, Lewis, Hedo, Pietrus are all pretty talented...
Howard, Nelson, Lewis are all-stars
Hedo is above avg player.... They just dont have star power as Gasol/Kobe/Fisher really.
What hurts Howard is he can not create a shot other than a dunk and if he has to pass out of post it seems like its a turnover every time.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:18 pm to tduecen
Lewis is one-dimensional, Nelson wasnt healthy, Hedo is the 2nd best player even when Nelson and Lewis or both healthy, but if you want to put them in the same surrounding class that Shaq and Hakeem had than youre dumb.
Also, Fisher is not a star. Great clutch player and solid player but not a star.
Also, Fisher is not a star. Great clutch player and solid player but not a star.
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:26 pm to CM84
I like how people want to refer to others as dumb when they have nothing else to say... 
Obviously you never watched the Houston Rockets win back to back when they had Hakeem and then who? Oh yeah Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Vernon Maxwell some studs there.
Lewis did avg 17.7ppg 5.7rpg 1.0spg 2.9apg and .6rpg
he did a little of all
Hedo 16.8ppg 5.3rpg 4.9apg
those are a little better numbers than avg talent right there...
Obviously you never watched the Houston Rockets win back to back when they had Hakeem and then who? Oh yeah Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Vernon Maxwell some studs there.
Lewis did avg 17.7ppg 5.7rpg 1.0spg 2.9apg and .6rpg
he did a little of all
Hedo 16.8ppg 5.3rpg 4.9apg
those are a little better numbers than avg talent right there...
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:38 pm to tduecen
quote:
Obviously you never watched the Houston Rockets win back to back when they had Hakeem and then who
First year he had Thorpe who averaged around 15 and 10 the first championship year then the next year they traded him for Clyde who was good for 20 a game.
I wouldn't say that those 2 Rockets teams were talentless outside of the Dream
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:45 pm to tigerguy121
Thorpe 14/10 in 93/94
Thorpe 13/9 in 94/95
Clyde 21/7 in 94/95
I am saying they had less talent than Orlando this year.
Unless you wanna count Sam Cassell who was in his 2nd season during 1st championship
and Robert Horry who was in his 3rd season during the first championship.
Hakeem carried that team especially in playoffs where he averaged 29/11
Thorpe 13/9 in 94/95
Clyde 21/7 in 94/95
I am saying they had less talent than Orlando this year.
Unless you wanna count Sam Cassell who was in his 2nd season during 1st championship
and Robert Horry who was in his 3rd season during the first championship.
Hakeem carried that team especially in playoffs where he averaged 29/11
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:48 pm to tduecen
quote:
Thorpe 14/10 in 93/94
No one Orlando outside of Howard averaged a double double this year.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:51 pm to chuckyshah19
quote:
Howard is an exaggerated Ben Wallace in my mind.
then you have wasted your "mind" if you think DHoward is BWallace. That might be the dumbest statement ever written on the MSB
Posted on 6/15/09 at 12:57 pm to tigerguy121
Both Orlando and Houston had players avg double figures
Orlando
Howard 20.6
Hedo 16.8
Lewis 17.7
Peitrus 9.4
Alston 11.7
Nelson 16.7
Houston
Hakeem 27.3
Thorpe 14.0
Kenny Smith 11.6
Maxwell 13.6
Thorpe may have had double/double but Orlando has more scorers even with Nelson out for last half of year.
Orlando also had 5 people avg 5 assist per game to Houston 1.
Orlando had 4 players avg 4.5 or more rebounds with 1 10+
Houston had 5 avg 4.5 or more rebounds with 2 avg 10+
Orlando
Howard 20.6
Hedo 16.8
Lewis 17.7
Peitrus 9.4
Alston 11.7
Nelson 16.7
Houston
Hakeem 27.3
Thorpe 14.0
Kenny Smith 11.6
Maxwell 13.6
Thorpe may have had double/double but Orlando has more scorers even with Nelson out for last half of year.
Orlando also had 5 people avg 5 assist per game to Houston 1.
Orlando had 4 players avg 4.5 or more rebounds with 1 10+
Houston had 5 avg 4.5 or more rebounds with 2 avg 10+
Posted on 6/15/09 at 1:00 pm to tduecen
duece.....bringing the heat today.
Posted on 6/15/09 at 1:04 pm to Klark Kent
nah but hearing that Howard has no help bothers me... Lewis and Hedo are very good all-star caliber players and Alston/Nelson are legit point guards.
Howard did not carry this team to victory every night. He didnt have to he had help
Posted on 6/15/09 at 1:16 pm to tduecen
quote:
Orlando
Howard 20.6
Hedo 16.8
Lewis 17.7
Peitrus 9.4
Alston 11.7
Nelson 16.7
WAIT you get to include Peitrus at 9.4 PPG and leave out Horry at 9.9 and Ellie at 9.3?
That is some selective fact finding there.
This post was edited on 6/15/09 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/15/09 at 1:20 pm to tigerguy121
That was a typo cause I just copied and pasted...
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