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drafting quarterbacks from their junior year vs their senior year
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:31 pm
Bill parcels always said he would only draft qbs that graduated from college. it's a trend i've always noticed and the senior QB's always tend to have a higher hit rate thent eh jrs but the jrs get drafted higher.
comparing from andrew luck's draft back to sam braodford draft the qbs takein in the first 3 rounds
Jrs
Andrew Luck - Hit
RG3 - Bust
Cam - Hit / Pro Bowl / NFL MVP
Ryan Mallett - Bust
Sam Bradford - Bust
Matthew Satford - Hit / Pro Bowl
Josh Breeman - Bust
Jamarcus Russell - Bust
Jake Locker - Bust
Blaine Gabbert - Bust
30% hit rate, 1 super bowl apparance between them all
Srs
Ryan Tannihill - Hit
Russell Wilson - hit / Super Bowl / Pro Bowl
Nick Foles - Hit / Pro Bowl
Colin Kaepernick - Hit
Andy Dalton - Hit / Pro Bowl
Tim Tebow - Bust
Jimmy Clausen - bust
Matt Ryan - Hit / Pro Bowl / NFL MVP
Joe Flacco - Hit / Super Bowl
Brian Brohm - Bust
Kevin O'Connell - Bust
Brady Quinn- Bust
Kevin Kolb - hit
John Beck - Bust
Colt McCoy -
a 53% hit rate, 2 super bowl wins, 3 super bown appareances between them and you get them later in the draft
really QBs are like the RBs. the geinus in what the cowboys did last year was taking the RB early depistie " you can get RBs any time" then taking the senior Dak in the 4th round
if i went back any further it just wouldn't be a fair fight. 3 of the 4 qBs in the divisional championhips were seniors when they were drafted. the last 8 super bowls have been won by senior QBs
comparing from andrew luck's draft back to sam braodford draft the qbs takein in the first 3 rounds
Jrs
Andrew Luck - Hit
RG3 - Bust
Cam - Hit / Pro Bowl / NFL MVP
Ryan Mallett - Bust
Sam Bradford - Bust
Matthew Satford - Hit / Pro Bowl
Josh Breeman - Bust
Jamarcus Russell - Bust
Jake Locker - Bust
Blaine Gabbert - Bust
30% hit rate, 1 super bowl apparance between them all
Srs
Ryan Tannihill - Hit
Russell Wilson - hit / Super Bowl / Pro Bowl
Nick Foles - Hit / Pro Bowl
Colin Kaepernick - Hit
Andy Dalton - Hit / Pro Bowl
Tim Tebow - Bust
Jimmy Clausen - bust
Matt Ryan - Hit / Pro Bowl / NFL MVP
Joe Flacco - Hit / Super Bowl
Brian Brohm - Bust
Kevin O'Connell - Bust
Brady Quinn- Bust
Kevin Kolb - hit
John Beck - Bust
Colt McCoy -
a 53% hit rate, 2 super bowl wins, 3 super bown appareances between them and you get them later in the draft
really QBs are like the RBs. the geinus in what the cowboys did last year was taking the RB early depistie " you can get RBs any time" then taking the senior Dak in the 4th round
if i went back any further it just wouldn't be a fair fight. 3 of the 4 qBs in the divisional championhips were seniors when they were drafted. the last 8 super bowls have been won by senior QBs
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 3:36 pm
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:33 pm to vengeanceofrain
What is the criteria to be considered a hit?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:35 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:
Ryan Tannihill - Hit
disagree
quote:
Kevin Kolb - hit
disagree
quote:
Nick Foles - Hit / Pro Bowl
disagree
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:40 pm to vengeanceofrain
Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles are hits, but RG3 is not?
Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles are hits, but Sam Bradford is not?
Prime example of manipulating the "data" to say what you want it to say.
Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles are hits, but Sam Bradford is not?
Prime example of manipulating the "data" to say what you want it to say.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:40 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:
the geinus in what the cowboys did last year
They got lucky.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:43 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:You have no football sense at all.
Kevin Kolb - hit
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:44 pm to vengeanceofrain
I hope you aren't serious on some of these.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:45 pm to vengeanceofrain
If 3 of those seniors were not considered "hits", which would be perfectly reasonable, then the hit rate would be 33% and virtually the same as the juniors.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:46 pm to vengeanceofrain
Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Mallett both spent 4 years in college, the same amount of time as some of those seniors.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:55 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:
Srs
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:55 pm to vengeanceofrain
You're very generous on your hits
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:56 pm to vengeanceofrain
At least post his rules. This is one of the reasons he liked Romo so much. He checked all the boxes.
His rules are as follows:
1. The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
2. He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
3. He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
4. He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.
His rules are as follows:
1. The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
2. He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
3. He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
4. He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:58 pm to vengeanceofrain
bradford is a bust but kaep and foles are hits?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 3:59 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:
Nick Foles - Hit
meaning his throws hit the ground?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:00 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:
Colin Kaepernick - Hit
lol...no
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:05 pm to vengeanceofrain
If Kaepernick is a hit, then so is Josh Freeman.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:07 pm to vengeanceofrain
Ryan Tannehill a hit 
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:08 pm to PetreauxCat
quote:
1. The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback 2. He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously. 3. He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time. 4. He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.
Andrew Luck would meet each of those requirements, except being a "Senior." He was a RS Jr.
ETA: Jake Locker was also a Senior. So, in a surprise to no one, OP's premise is shite.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:21 pm to vengeanceofrain
Don't see how luck is a hit
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:27 pm to Hamma1122
quote:
Don't see how luck is a hit
Operating on the binary "Hit/Bust" scale, I don't think you can say he's a bust so he'd have to be a hit.
Plus, he got the AFC Championship game once. 2015 was not good, but he just had a pretty good bounce back season.
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