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re: Coaches not being completely truthful about coaching changes to recruits
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:32 pm to RTR America
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:32 pm to RTR America
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Picking a school solely based on a coach always has been and will continue to be poor decision making on these kid's part. I feel terrible for them that they've basically been lied to, but they should be wary of this going in.
It's not ethical if a coach omits material information to a kid. If a kid says that his relationship is important to him in picking a school than the coach owes that kid the information from an ethical standpoint. Sometimes an ethical standard isn't enforceable though. Unfortunately these kids don't always have a good guide for them in the process.
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Sucks for the kids in these situations and they should be granted a release from their LOI if they so choose.
But for a kid to only commit to a school based on one position coach tells me he shouldn't have committed to that school anyways.
But for a kid to only commit to a school based on one position coach tells me he shouldn't have committed to that school anyways.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:40 pm to KillerNut9
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But for a kid to only commit to a school based on one position coach tells me he shouldn't have committed to that school anyways.
It doesn't need to be so black and white. Even if it's just a compensating factor, it's unethical. Kids deserve some good faith in the process. It's one thing to recruit on tenure and after the recruit is on campus to take a better opportunity, it's another to omit material information to make a decision.
It's plain unethical.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:46 pm to KosmoCramer
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Once you sign you're in unless they release you.
What if someone signs with an out of state school, changes his/her mind and just enrolls through TOPS at LSU for the summer classes?
In the fall, does it count against the out-state school scholarship limits if they don't release you? Are you eligible to play at LSU as long as your aren't on an athletic scholarship?
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:46 pm to bisonduck
It's a business. It sucks but it's life.
If he wants out, then let him out.
If he wants out, then let him out.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:46 pm to bisonduck
It is unethical. Welcome to major college athletics.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:47 pm to TigerintheNO
If they don't play for the school they signed for, they have to sit out a year. Basically a redshirt or transfer, depending how you look at it.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:48 pm to TigerintheNO
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In the fall, does it count against the out-state school scholarship limits if they don't release you? Are you eligible to play at LSU as long as your aren't on an athletic scholarship?
Tops still counts as a scholarship and would count against the scholarship limit for that school
If they didn't, LSU and other states with similar programs would have a huge advantage over other schools
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:50 pm to KillerNut9
Michigan lied to him also about recruiting other running backs for this class. They accepted a commitment earlier in the day before his commitment.
He's probably really jaded with the whole situation but Ohio State will do right by him. He has great guys around him and a great staff, it just sucks to be deceived no doubt.
He's probably really jaded with the whole situation but Ohio State will do right by him. He has great guys around him and a great staff, it just sucks to be deceived no doubt.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:52 pm to KosmoCramer
I don't need to question Michigan's ethics. They showed their colors when they harbored a rapist kicker.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 6:59 pm to KillerNut9
I was just speaking to why Weber is even more disenchanted with the recruiting process.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:00 pm to KosmoCramer
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It's a business. It sucks but it's life. If he wants out, then let him out.
There are unethical people in every business. Hopefully kids learn to sniff it out. I agree. However, the question was whether it's unethical. I've worked in sales for a long time. Some sales people are ethical and some aren't. I can't imagine it's any different.
Truth be told, I think you can run a successful program by being ethical. Straight shooting can vet out the drama queens and people who appreciate that will gravitate towards your program.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:05 pm to bisonduck
It's not going to happen. Recruiting is a cutthroat job. There's a reason some guys excel at it and others don't.
And it's rinse and repeat the next year. It's not like building repeat business most of the time. And winning and success trump all and makes you forget about all the dirty things required to win championships.
And it's rinse and repeat the next year. It's not like building repeat business most of the time. And winning and success trump all and makes you forget about all the dirty things required to win championships.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Brian Kelly lied to the parents of his QB recruit about him staying, he's gone and the parents are now pissed.
What?
“I was a little disappointed about Coach LaFleur, but then I had to remind myself why we picked the school,” said Mrs. Wimbush. “Coaches come and go. It was just weird getting the news on Signing Day. I know for a fact that Brandon was disappointed, but Coach Kelly was very reassuring and I appreciated that.
“[Kelly] did not want me to see it on social media first. He reassured me that he obviously has extensive experience coaching quarterbacks and there will be a very competent quarterback coach hired in place of LaFleur.”
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:42 pm to bisonduck
Charlie Strong is going to test your theory. And I think you can make a case that the Mack Brown nice guy thing doesn't really work anymore. Hoke was a dumb, likeable guy that recruited pretty well, I guess. But not necessarily ethical.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's not about the kids.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Coaches go to different schools for work just like any other job
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
TCU announced their DC was retiring yesterday as well.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'd be a lot more irritated if these high school kids weren't flip flopping with commitments constantly.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:00 pm to Jcorye1
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I'd be a lot more irritated if these high school kids weren't flip flopping with commitments constantly.
1)The vast majority of recruits don't flip flop.
2)It wouldn't be that hard to implement rules to cut down on flip flopping. However, their is an entire industry that now thrives on recruiting process in its current form.
3) They are fricking High school kids. Are you really holding High school kids to the same standards as 40+ year old adults.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 10:02 pm
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