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Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:52 am to slackster
quote:quote:
Kershaw has obliviously been unreal.
This typo cracked me up for some reason.
was I doing?? 
Posted on 5/30/16 at 9:54 am to SPEEDY
I love how we're talking about the second coming and Koufax was Jewish 
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:03 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
Has only happened once. He has made 2 poor starts since 2013. No one can argue against that. Buts hes pretty much been his usual self in his other 6
According to the OP, he has a 1.84 ERA since 2012.
He's given up 3+ ER in 5 of his 10 postseason starts. 5ER, 7ER, 8ER, and 3ERx2 (in only 6 IP)
For reference, he's given up 3+ ER in only 4 of his past 26 regular season starts dating back to last years ASB
Again, you cannot give up 3+ ER in 5 of 10 postseason starts if you're Clayton Kershaw. Your team lost 6 of the games he started.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:25 am to GynoSandberg
6 innings 3 earned runs may qualify as a quality start during the regular season but the postseason is different. I would expect him to dominate like he has during the regular season. He goes from great to good during the postseason.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 11:29 am to tduecen
Koufax had a 0.95 ERA in four World Series, and a 4-3 record.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/30/16 at 1:58 pm to SPEEDY
Obviously those are incredible numbers, but what Maddux, Johnson, and Martinez accomplished during the steroid era will never be equaled.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:43 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:since 2013 he has given up 3 or more ER 4 times. Game 6 of the 2013 NLCS and game 1 of the 2014 NLDS were bad. No argument. Game 4 of t had 2014 NLDS he pitched on short rest and got babipd until the home run was hit. Game 1 against the Mets he doesn't get a borderline call, he gets pulled, and the dodger bullpen can't get the 2nd out. So I have a hard time really criticizing him for those two when we are literally inches here and there from not having this conversation
He's given up 3+ ER in 5 of his 10 postseason starts. 5ER, 7ER, 8ER, and 3ERx2 (in only 6 IP)
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:45 pm to tduecen
quote:I mean he has been pretty fricking good outside of game 6 of the 2013 NLCS and game 1 of the 2014 NLDS.
I would expect him to dominate like he has during the regular season. He goes from great to good during the postseason.
Here are his other 6 starts
38.2 innings
2.59 ERA
52 strikeouts
12 walks
So that isn't god status, but that's fricking good
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:46 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:So 4 times in 8 starts, that doesn't match up with what he does during the regular season. Even using 2013 he has given up 23 runs in 49.1 innings which is very un-Kershaw....
since 2013 he has given up 3 or more ER 4 times
The Dodgers need him to be the best pitcher in the postseason like he has been during the regular season and during the postseason he has just been good instead of dominant.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:49 pm to tduecen
quote:and over half of those come from 2 starts
Even using 2013 he has given up 23 runs in 49.1 innings which is very un-Kershaw....
quote:and he has honestly pitched pretty well outside of his two meltdowns. As in, enough for the Dodgers to win
The Dodgers need him to be the best pitcher in the postseason
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:50 pm to BCMCubs
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:11 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Giving up 3 runs isn't enough when it comes to the postseason, especially now when pitching is dominant.
As in, enough for the Dodgers to win
2013: 1 horrible game and then 3 games where he pitched like the best pitcher in baseball
2014: horrible game then what amounts to an average game for him (3 earned runs followed by 8)
2015: 1 Kershaw type of game then an average game for him.
So since 2013 he has had
4 Kershaw type of games
2 horrible games
2 average games
As the best pitching in baseball he should be rolling out Kershaw type games when the Dodgers need him most which means 7 innings, 2 runs or less 2 walks or less, and 8+ strikeouts. Is the bar set high? Yes because of what he has accomplished during the regular season.
Pedro would be a good pitcher to compare with, he had unworldly numbers during the regular season but during the post-season he was just good rather than great. The difference is Pedro was part of the Boston team that broke the curse and part of the greatest rivalry.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:18 pm to tduecen
quote:meh. One of those starts that he gave up 3 runs only happened because the bullpen couldn't get him a third out and another because he got babipd because Hanley couldnt play short worth a damn. I mean we are straight up inches here and there from not having this conversation at all
Giving up 3 runs isn't enough when it comes to the postseason, especially now when pitching is dominant.
quote:and I fully understand that. My argument is never against "he hasn't been as good as he is during the season". It's against "he pitches poor in the playoffs" because he really doesn't
Is the bar set high? Yes because of what he has accomplished during the regular season
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:21 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:He doesn't he just doesn't pitch the way he does during the regular season. He goes from being the greatest to just a good pitcher. Where Madison Bumgarner goes from great to greater, Kershaw does not.
It's against "he pitches poor in the playoffs" because he really doesn't
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:25 pm to tduecen
quote:he definitely had struggles in his first two postseasons
Where Madison Bumgarner goes from great to greater
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:29 pm to WestCoastAg
Yet....
Regular Season- 3.29 ERA
Post-Season- 2.14 ERA
14 post season games since 2010, 88 innings pitched
Kershaw 13 postseason games since 2008, 64.2 innings pitched
Regular Season- 3.29 ERA
Post-Season- 2.14 ERA
14 post season games since 2010, 88 innings pitched
Kershaw 13 postseason games since 2008, 64.2 innings pitched
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:36 pm to tduecen
And that all comes from the one run he put on in 2014. He did tremendously well in 2014, but it's not like he had this big history of doing well in the playoffs before it. Nor do we have any idea that he will do it again. He was pretty average in 2010 and 2012. He had an ERA of 3.79 over 35.2
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:43 pm to WestCoastAg
And Kershaw hasn't had a run like that... Kershaw is also older as Madison was 20/22 during those two previous years. Dude is only 24 now and isn't talked among the best in baseball which is a shame for him and part of the reason is he has a 3.29 career ERA.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:54 pm to tduecen
quote:forget that he was that young when he got called up
also older as Madison was 20/22 during those two previous years
quote:and maybe he will. We have no idea when that shite is going to happen. All we do is that Kershaw has been pretty good since his game 1 meltdown vs the Cardinals
And Kershaw hasn't had a run like that
quote:feels like most have him as a fringe top 5 pitcher
Dude is only 24 now and isn't talked among the best in baseball which is a shame for him and part of the reason is he has a 3.29 career ERA.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 4:55 pm
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