re: CFB Bracket Thread - Looks Like The B1G Is Out?

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Big 12 champ deserves a spot IMO

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Depends on what that team's record, SOS, etc are, and how they stack up with those of every other school in the nation.

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How do you explain TCU over Baylor?

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School - FBS Winning % - SOS (old BCS formula, just for perspective)
TCU - .875 - .549
Baylor - .875 - .446

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Ole Miss over LSU?

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Ole Miss - .778 - .659
LSU - .750 - .635

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If only those teams, having the same records, had met on the field to break the tie between them

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They aren't tied.

Just because you can't figure it out doesn't mean that it's stupid. The people involved obviously know way more about football than you do.

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Both teams only have the power to schedule 4 of their own games

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Irrelevant and untrue. Conference membership is voluntary, so conference schedule is made ultimately with a school's ultimate consent. Not that that even matters or should matter. You're on the hook for the games you play, and you're not on the hook for the games you don't play. Simple as that.

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Irrelevant and untrue. Conference membership is voluntary, so conference schedule is made ultimately with a school's ultimate consent. Not that that even matters or should matter. You're on the hook for the games you play, and you're not on the hook for the games you don't play. Simple as that.

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I disagree about it being relevant. Michigan and OSU can't just pick up and say they want to go to the SEC. You can say they consent, and yes they ultimately do, but something like 30 top schools leaving and forming a super conference would only happen in a made up world. Therefore, it is true that they only control OOC games, and their schedule suffers every year accordingly

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Michigan and OSU can't just pick up and say they want to go to the SEC. You can say they consent, and yes they ultimately do, but something like 30 top schools leaving and forming a super conference would only happen in a made up world. Therefore, it is true that they only control OOC games, and their schedule suffers every year accordingly

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Ok. Tough shite.

This is really amazing what you've just done. You've actually made the exact argument that for a decade virtually everyone falsely accused Boise State of doing. Whereas not once did anyone from Boise State say they were treated unfairly (they did say scheduling was difficult, but they never ever said that the deck was stacked unfairly against them, and I defy anyone to show me any information suggesting otherwise), an Ohio State fan is actually whining that Big Ten teams are unable to make strong enough schedules because their Big Ten opponents are so bad.

It's not the rest of the world's problem that Michigan can't find enough tough opponents to play.

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Yep, a program can only make the effort to have a challenging schedule which is why getting punished for outcomes out of the programs control is beyond ignorant.

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Considering the size of the division and the relatively small sample size of games, it would be beyond beyond ignorant not to consider strength of schedule when ranking teams.

The need for SOS isn't ignorant; it is an attempt at mitigating the inconvenience of the small sample size of games.

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Michigan can't do much more, outside of scheduling 3 top 10 teams ever year, to improve their SOS can they?

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I hear you, but just because you call yourself a conference and have well-known schools, you should automatically get a seat at the table despite only 2 teams being competitive?

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This is really amazing what you've just done. You've actually made the exact argument that for a decade virtually everyone falsely accused Boise State of doing. Whereas not once did anyone from Boise State say they were treated unfairly (they did say scheduling was difficult, but they never ever said that the deck was stacked unfairly against them, and I defy anyone to show me any information suggesting otherwise), an Ohio State fan is actually whining that Big Ten teams are unable to make strong enough schedules because their Big Ten opponents are so bad.

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The bad B1G teams aren't as bad as the bad WAC teams, but the end of the point is the same. You can tell me whatever you want about the #'s about SOS etc, but if there is a year where all 5 conference winners are undefeated (possible every year but has never happened), or all conference winners have 1 loss (much more likely), you shouldn't just stick SOS into the equation and pump out a result.

If you take SOS into the equation, there is a valid argument you should also take MOV into account.

If the #4 team beats the #8 team by 6, and the #3 team beats the #22 team by 30, who has a better win? The SOS argument is "well they beat the #8 team," but they didn't win convincingly like the #3 team did over a top 25 team

I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but I think this is a forest vs. trees argument sometimes.

I think you are one of the smart posters on here FWIF

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youre ignoring point on purpose, not surprised.

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It couldn't' have been a worse example. Ohio State's problem isn't that Virginia Tech is losing to a lot of their opponents; it's primarily that Virginia Tech beat Ohio State. That game is literally the difference between their being ranked #14 and #3, and it's perfectly fair given the rest of the field's collective performance.