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Brady Hoke's meeechigan tenure, B1G perspective needed
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:39 am
from several accounts, it looks like michigan will be replacing their AD and head coach after the season. my question for michigan fans and/or B1G fans is: what the hell happened? during the hiring process, he was very highly though of. everyone thought it was a slam dunk hire. he takes rich rod's woeful players and goes 11-2 in his first year. but regressed every year since in a weak conference
was recruiting the problem? according to rivals, he has bagged classes ranked: 31 (with only 16 players), 5, 7, 21 from '14-'11, respectively.
was the hiring of assistant coaches the problem?
is it just to hard to win big at michigan b/c of lack of recruiting grounds and academic standards?
or was brady hoke completely over rated and in over his head coaching at a national power?
i'm just kinda fascinated how it all came off the rails in what feels like quick fashion. one year he was restoring the luster of the bo schembechler days, now hes an incompetent buffoon who doesnt look like the part. where did it all go so wrong?
was recruiting the problem? according to rivals, he has bagged classes ranked: 31 (with only 16 players), 5, 7, 21 from '14-'11, respectively.
was the hiring of assistant coaches the problem?
is it just to hard to win big at michigan b/c of lack of recruiting grounds and academic standards?
or was brady hoke completely over rated and in over his head coaching at a national power?
i'm just kinda fascinated how it all came off the rails in what feels like quick fashion. one year he was restoring the luster of the bo schembechler days, now hes an incompetent buffoon who doesnt look like the part. where did it all go so wrong?
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:41 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
I'm interested in this as well. A total shite shot up there in Ann Arbor
shite like this makes me realize just how fricking stupid the rant is about Miles
shite could be sooooo much worse. No idea how great we have it
shite like this makes me realize just how fricking stupid the rant is about Miles
shite could be sooooo much worse. No idea how great we have it
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:45 am to LSUSoulja08
quote:i agree. he does things that drive my fricking nuts, but be careful what you wish for. we could have some coaching savant and still lose more than 3 games a year.
shite like this makes me realize just how fricking stupid the rant is about Miles
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:46 am to LSUSoulja08
quote:
shite like this makes me realize just how fricking stupid the rant is about Miles
shite could be sooooo much worse. No idea how great we have it
This is what keeps me from going insane about Miles. The coach has his faults, but I have seen many of big time schools botch a coaching search.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:47 am to LSUSoulja08
Probably a combination of everything. Not good recruiting area to begin with, rise of MSU, Hoke wasn't very good at keeping control of the team, too much attrition. I don't ever see Michigan or the B1G for that matter regaining its place, but they could definitely be doing better than they are right now and same goes for the B1G.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:47 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
He certainly is not above criticism, but people that want him fired need to take a look at what is going on at other top programs and realize we have it pretty damn good
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:48 am to RedHawk
quote:
too much attrition.
Not sure if serious
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:51 am to RedHawk
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Not good recruiting area to begin with
You have no idea what you're talking about so just stop.
The Detroit area is stocked with great recruits, and then you have the Ohio and Chicago talent. Carr was able to get all those guys. Also, Michigan has traditionally recruited nationally so you see a lot of guys from Florida or out West come there. But to say that he doesn't have a recruiting backyard is to be ignorant of the population/demographic landscape of the state.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:51 am to RedHawk
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rise of MSU
This is the problem
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:55 am to lsu480
I thought it was a terrible hire. He's had a couple of good seasons as a coach and several mediocre seasons. His recruiting has been imbalanced and his player development is non existent.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:57 am to lsu480
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rise of MSU
This is the problem
No it isnt. Until the last cycle Michigan and State haven't been competing for the same kids on the recruiting trail. State has done a great job at finding lower ranked kids and developing them into great college players. Michigan has been recruiting the same blue chip kids that they always have. Both schools can be successful.
The problem is Brady isnt a very good coach, and outside of Greg Mattison hasn't hired good assistants. The best coach outside of Mattison left because Michigan wouldn't give him a raise, and now they have a coach, coaching a position that he never has solely to keep him on staff.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:58 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
He is a very likeable buffoon who was not qualified for the job. But, they wanted something that was the opposite of Rich Rod and went back to someone with ties to the old days and a controllable figurehead. Mattison is a good D coordinator, no problems there. The offense is a shitshow in part because it is still relying a guy who was recruited for a spread. And Rich Rod's playmakers like Gallon, Hemingway, and Denard are gone. That first year was fool's gold with an exceedingly easy schedule. Rich Rod would have posted a 9-3 at least, IMO. If the school had given Rich Rod the opportunity to change D coordinators again, the program would be in better shape today, although probably not for the long haul.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:05 am to Bunk Moreland
The rise of Michigan State certainly plays a role in Michigan's decline. For decades, Michigan had always recruited the talent rich state of Ohio for high school football talent, routinely stealing players away from Ohio St. Much like Oklahoma does with Texas. Now, Michigan St and Dantonio (Ohio native) has essentially become what Michigan used to be. Michigan St is now the Michigan school getting the quality Ohio players. LeVeon Bell and Connor Cook are players that used to go to Michigan. MSU has 27 players from Ohio on their roster. Simply put, MSU is dominating Michigan in that category right now.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:07 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:did you think this in january 2011 when they hired him? in january 2012 after posting an 11-2 season? or is hindsight 20/20?
who was not qualified for the job
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:07 am to Buckeye Backer
Michigan is still pulling kids out of Ohio. Higher ranked kids than MSU pulls.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:07 am to Buckeye Backer
Dantonio is killing people with 3 stars. I think Bell was a 2 star or something. Recruiting fell off with Rich Rod, but not with Hoke.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:08 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:yes, i didnt think of that one, and should have considered its role
The rise of Michigan State certainly plays a role in Michigan's decline
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:09 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
yes, i didnt think of that one, and should have considered its role
Its not the sole factor, head coaching is at the top of their issues currently.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:10 am to RedRifle
quote:ok, but the recruiting rankings dont seem to be the problem. is it just poor player development? inaccurate recruiting rankings?
The Detroit area is stocked with great recruits, and then you have the Ohio and Chicago talent. Carr was able to get all those guys. Also, Michigan has traditionally recruited nationally so you see a lot of guys from Florida or out West come there. But to say that he doesn't have a recruiting backyard is to be ignorant of the population/demographic landscape of the state.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:10 am to Buckeye Backer
The number 7 overall DE recruit just decommitted from Michigan 
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