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re: Big Ben and Eli Manning
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:00 pm to tduecen
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:00 pm to tduecen
What's the OP's question? Will they get in or do they deserve to get in?
They will both be in, Eli has two rings and was a major player in each of their playoff runs that alone will get him in. But yeah his overall numbers are underwhelming.
They will both be in, Eli has two rings and was a major player in each of their playoff runs that alone will get him in. But yeah his overall numbers are underwhelming.
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:47 pm to tduecen
Weird, NFL.com asked this question this morning.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:48 pm to tduecen
Eli has to get in. How many 2x SB mvps aren't in Canton?
Posted on 6/22/14 at 12:50 pm to Korin
well it isn't the hall of very good...
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:06 pm to tduecen
They'll both get in. Rosinbagger is probably the better of the two, but it will take longer for him to get in cause he's a rapist. You can't just force your way into the HoF like you can a weak woman.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:08 pm to Korin
Serious question, how many players are in canton that were never first or second team all-NFL even once in their career? Have Ben or Manning jr ever been considered top 4 at their position at a given time? IMO if either make it in the "super bowls" are a quarterback stat meme will have officially jumped the shark.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:10 pm to auyushu
i mean they let terry bradshaw in.. dude is no better than carson palmer so i say yes
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:15 pm to tiger2012
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Multiple SB's will get them in.
Jim Plunkett is the only QB to win more than one SuperBowl not to be in Canton. Both will get in.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:55 pm to TigerintheNO
Eli YES
Big Ben NO
Eli has a long way to go.
I could see Big Ben out of football in 2 or 3 years.
Big Ben NO
Eli has a long way to go.
I could see Big Ben out of football in 2 or 3 years.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 1:57 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
Posted on 6/22/14 at 2:07 pm to TigerintheNO
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Jim Plunkett is the only QB to win more than one SuperBowl not to be in Canton. Both will get in.
And Eli was mvp of both of his.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 2:22 pm to auyushu
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But on the flip side, he's played in a pretty average offensive system and never really had the talent or system around him to shine. He's had a crap offensive line for most of his career and a nonexistent running game. He pretty much has been the entire offense for them for quite a while now.
I agree with pretty much all of this. It's a surprise he's still even able to play with the OLs he has had. Guy has scrambled for his life his entire career.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 3:56 pm to Korin
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And Eli was mvp of both of his.
Because the media are lazy.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:06 pm to Sophandros
Lol, it's not like there was another guy that stood out. Maybe tuck with his two sacks in the first SB, but who else should have received it?
Media is lazy most of the time yes, but at least provide some valid alternatives.
What holds Eli back is his regular season play, he's been above average in the playoffs. I think he's just lazy.
Media is lazy most of the time yes, but at least provide some valid alternatives.
What holds Eli back is his regular season play, he's been above average in the playoffs. I think he's just lazy.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:12 pm to castorinho
When your offense only scores 17 points, and when the defense holds the top scoring offense in the league to 14 points, the MVP is probably not the QB. Tuck's sacks and pressure did more to win that game than Eli did.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:13 pm to castorinho
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What holds Eli back is his regular season play, he's been above average in the playoffs. I think he's just lazy.
He's not lazy, they just have no running game and their offensive line got old. He forces it too much.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:50 pm to boXerrumble
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Big Ben was the reason the Steelers were 8-8 last year and not 3-13.
That was a BAD football team.
thought their defense played okay. Nothing like what you would expect from them traditionally but that's what happens when key players on that side of the ball get older.
I remember early last year the Steelers O wasn't putting a lot of points on the board. I think they only scored 9 points at home against the Titans.
but I think one thing that has always kind of been a bother for the Steelers is their O-line. Maybe Mike Munchak will have that group playing better this year? I thought that was a good hire by the Steelers to coach the O-line.
Eli looked horrible last year. It was kind of the Giants defense that really helped them rally and win some games. They got better as the year went along, especially after they acquired Jon Beason.
I can't really picture either being a Hall of Famer but if either wins another Super Bowl I think you have to give them the nod.
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