re: Best center in the NBA - Hassan Whiteside

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depending on who Lester is "evaluating" stats don't matter(Cousins), until they do (Whiteside)

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when he turns into a 7 footer that only makes 46% of his 2pt shots, then we can start talking about empty stats

name some top tier, frontline big men that have led wildly successful teams shooting 46% ( which is at 43% this year)

I'm not sure how you think I was comparing the 2.

You have a problem with my opinion on Cousins, then tell me how I am off base.

If you want to talk about Whiteside, we can. But I never remotely came close to comparing the 2 in this thread.


Whiteside is the 3rd wheel on his team. He isnt counted on to be the man of his team. Cousins is. That team is going nowhere, regardless of the coach, with him shooting 43% from the floor.

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I'm not sure how you think I was comparing the 2.

You have a problem with my opinion on Cousins, then tell me how I am off base.

If you want to talk about Whiteside, we can. But I never remotely came close to comparing the 2 in this thread.


Whiteside is the 3rd wheel on his team. He isnt counted on to be the man of his team. Cousins is. That team is going nowhere, regardless of the coach, with him shooting 43% from the floor.

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So now you arguing role does matter on a team? That,once again, is talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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Shaq couldn't shoot free throws worth a shite either. Its a small part of the game.

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-the idea that FTs are a "small part of the game" is ridiculous

-unless Shaq was routinely pulled down the stretch because he couldn't hit FTs, mentioning him doesn't lend any credibility to your argument, whatever that is

-a player needing to be pulled off the floor in the 4th quarter is a legitimate criticism of their game and their positional ranking league-wide

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Have you ever been critical of a player without mentioning FG%? It's 2015...there are better metrics available, grandpa.

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its simple and so overlooked and is telling when it comes to volume scorers.


If a guy is shooting 20x in a game but only making 43%, ESP a fricking post player, that is killing the team.

Go look at lead players on past champions & contenders. They are either highly efficient scorers or they are borderline and surrounded by highly efficient shot makers that also happen to NBA stars.

Steph Curry
Lebron
DWade
Dirk
Shaq
Durant
MJ
Kobe
Tony Parker + Duncan
Pierce & Co



Hmmm, what do they all have in common?

yet you want to sit here and talk about there are other ways to measure offensive efficiency. A 7 footer scoring 25ppg but only making 43% of his shots is ridiculous. Cause that means he is dominating the ball and missing a ton of shots. I dont care what else he does, that is not a winning player.

Same reason i give James Harden shite.

so yea, FG is a simple metric but it tells a lot. Are you making or missing shot. Pretty important concept when it comes to basketball

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So now you arguing role does matter on a team? That,once again, is talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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id engage with you but i have no clue what you are talking about. You make LSUPiston look like Phil Jackson

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t doesn't tell you anything without context. Did you mention Cousins is a "post player" who happens to have range beyond the three point line?

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are you telling me a 18 footer is worth more than a dunk?

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What is his PER? Remind me what the "E" stands for. What is his rank this year for points per shot attempt?

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do you actually know what PER is? offensive efficiency maybe accounts for 30-40% of the entire formula.


Look at his TS% and tell me how he stacks up.

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are you telling me a 18 footer is worth more than a dunk?

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No...unless the three point line was moved in, nowhere in my post did I mention an eighteen footer.

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do you actually know what PER is? offensive efficiency maybe accounts for 30-40% of the entire formula.

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Of course I do...it is also a pretty good indicator as to how effective a player is, particularly on the offensive end. There is also correlation between team offensive output and individual PER. Interesting, readily available studies to enhance your basketball knowledge.

You don't have to answer my question about PPS either, I already know.

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What good is it if you have range but shoot 45% as a 7 footer?

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Because it forces an opposing 4/5 to guard Cousins at every spot on the floor. You serious?

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Ok, so just to be clear, you think Cousins is an efficient offensive scorer for a 7 ft post player? I just want to be clear.

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Fourth among PF in PPS, fourth among players averaging 20+ PPG in PPS, given his usage rate doesn't have a disproportionately high TO rate. Not sure what to tell you.

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If you're going to pimp advanced metrics, at least understand them.

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There is a positive correlation between individual PER and team offensive output...not sure what the confusion is. For that reason, the claim that a team can't be successful offensively with a player like Cousins is ridiculous.

In terms of understanding, it is clear you don't understand the concept of "weight" in a mathematical model...you may want to review.