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re: Been an NBA homer my whole life
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:08 pm to arwicklu
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:08 pm to arwicklu
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Especially the Shaq and Kobe threepeat. Maybe you thought it was exciting because one of the teams was yours but without a dog in the fight there didn't seem like much suspense
That's simply not accurate, I'm sorry.
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the results speak to that
The results speak to how it ended up, not to the suspense that did or did not happen leading up to it.
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:15 pm to Goldrush25
Well for the last 20-30 years it has been my 2-3 superstars vs. your 2-3 superstars. There is atleast a chance someone is competing at that point. The Warriors have 4-5 superstars vs everyone else's 2-3 superstars. How can that really be overcome?
The Cavs took down a Warrior team with 3-4 superstars last season with crazy performances by Lebron and Kyrie. So then the Warriors were able to add another superstar because of the right timing of their contracts and the salary cap expansion. Kind of ridiculous.
Everyone can complain about the Heat team, but in reality they built a flawed team (selecting non complimentary superstars) that didn't truly upset the competitive balance of the NBA.
The Cavs took down a Warrior team with 3-4 superstars last season with crazy performances by Lebron and Kyrie. So then the Warriors were able to add another superstar because of the right timing of their contracts and the salary cap expansion. Kind of ridiculous.
Everyone can complain about the Heat team, but in reality they built a flawed team (selecting non complimentary superstars) that didn't truly upset the competitive balance of the NBA.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:18 pm to Goldrush25
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Portland and Sacramento had deep teams where you looked at every position and saw a player you liked 1-9, but they didn't have a shot for sustained success against teams that simply had 2 or 3 of the best players in the series at any given time. If they were as good as you say they were, they should've won at least one.
You could make the case for Portland, Sacramento, Dallas, and Phoenix all being extremely well positioned to win one over the course of the decade. Portland went 7 with LA. Kings went 7 with LA in 02. Spurs squeaked past Seattle in 05. Dallas went 7 with SA and won the West in 06. 07 saw the #1 seeded mavs get picked off in round 1, and #3 seeded SA beat higher seeded Phoenix. Etc.
I'm not talking necessarily about long term sustained success. That's a slightly different argument. I'm talking about being legitimate challengers to the throne and legitimately pushing/having prime chances to upset teams like the Spurs/Lakers. That's what builds suspense. And while the Spurs/Lakers eventually triumphed the majority of the time, they were far from being automatically penciled in (save for maybe the 2001 and 2002 lakers), a la Golden State the past couple of years, or LeBron's teams in the East since 2011.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:24 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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And while the Spurs/Lakers eventually triumphed the majority of the time, they were far from being automatically penciled in (save for maybe the 2001 and 2002 lakers), a la Golden State the past couple of years, or LeBron's teams in the East since 2011.
All GS is this year is what the Lakers were at the beginning of their run. I say that not counting 2015 because they've turned over a good bit of their roster since then.
They'll be the favorites next year, but it won't be the steamroll job they're doing this year, and I think the run ends after that. We just get carried away in the moment and think these things will last for years. This year will be them at the peak of their powers. Occasionally there is just no drama through the entire season, including the championship.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:38 pm to Goldrush25
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All GS is this year is what the Lakers were at the beginning of their run. I say that not counting 2015 because they've turned over a good bit of their roster since then.
I can agree with you there
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They'll be the favorites next year, but it won't be the steamroll job they're doing this year, and I think the run ends after that.
Also agree here.
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This year will be them at the peak of their powers. Occasionally there is just no drama through the entire season, including the championship.
Goddammit, I agree with the whole damn post
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:39 pm to Goldrush25
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All GS is this year is what the Lakers were at the beginning of their run. I say that not counting 2015 because they've turned over a good bit of their roster since then.
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kevin Durant
Andre Igudoula
All are in their prime with Igodoula on the backend. Four of them have been All-NBA within the last two seasons (3 currently). All have been on Team USA.
The recent Big 3 Celtics, Rondo, and Scalabrine are probably the closest as far as quantity/quality of superstars to the Warriors. Not as talented overall though at the current time of their careers.
The Lakers had Shaq and Kobe then the others. You can say adding Malone and Payton towards the end of the career is the closest, but not really.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:58 pm to Colonel Flagg
Stuff happens. Players get injured. Players get traded.
The rest of the league gets better. The rest of the league isn't going to just sit by and let this happen. Teams will make big moves to combat this.
The league probably doesn't catch up this year but they get closer, then I think they're done in 2018.
Even for a great team things have to go just right. Quite frankly they were lucky this year that Durant's injury wasn't that bad. And Steph is always a high injury risk. I'm not worried that GS is on a 5 year run or anything close to that.
The rest of the league gets better. The rest of the league isn't going to just sit by and let this happen. Teams will make big moves to combat this.
The league probably doesn't catch up this year but they get closer, then I think they're done in 2018.
Even for a great team things have to go just right. Quite frankly they were lucky this year that Durant's injury wasn't that bad. And Steph is always a high injury risk. I'm not worried that GS is on a 5 year run or anything close to that.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:00 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kevin Durant
Andre Igudoula
All are in their prime with Igodoula on the backend. Four of them have been All-NBA within the last two seasons (3 currently). All have been on Team USA.
I think he was hinting at GS' salary situation more than the players' longevity.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:00 pm to Goldrush25
The luxury tax should break this team up in a year unless Durant and Curry decide to take way less money than they are worth or GS is just about to spend stupid money.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:04 pm to Colonel Flagg
All they would be doing is saving tax dollars. I don't think KD or Steph taking a haircut allows them to add cheaper pieces above the minimum salary.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:04 pm to Goldrush25
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Even for a great team things have to go just right. Quite frankly they were lucky this year that Durant's injury wasn't that bad.
If you turn the table and KD goes down with a postseason-ending injury instead of Kawhi......yeah, it doesn't take much to put a major chink in a great team's armor, at least enough of one for an opportunistic challenger to capitalize.
The axiom is true: no matter how good your team is, every championship run requires a modicum of luck at some point.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:08 pm to Goldrush25
Well it will get to the point every dollar they add is really two or more. You going to want to pay $16-17 million for a MLE player .
.Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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If you turn the table and KD goes down with a postseason-ending injury instead of Kawhi
Still not a guarantee that the Spurs win the series. Kind of scary to think about it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:17 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Still not a guarantee that the Spurs win the series. Kind of scary to think about it.
Indeed.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:08 pm to StlPoke
I'm not sure why this thread garnered so much attention.
You have an NHL fan who's pretending to be a long-time NBA fan that wants to give up the NBA for the NHL.
Pretty easy code to decipher.
You have an NHL fan who's pretending to be a long-time NBA fan that wants to give up the NBA for the NHL.
Pretty easy code to decipher.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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That's simply not accurate, I'm sorry.
You saw it how you wanted to.
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