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re: Been an NBA homer my whole life
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:48 pm to Costanza85
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:48 pm to Costanza85
quote:Sure, but you can do that and at the same time not enjoy the game, as a whole.
If you love the game of basketball, you have to enjoy watching the warriors. They are so unselfish and play extremely hard on defense.
If GS sweeps CLE, then wins 16 in a row again next playoffs, that's not competitive. A postseason that is not competitive is not interesting, regardless of how great their style is.
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:06 pm to shel311
I agree completely in terms of the lack of competition being bad for the game, but it hasn't stopped me personally from watching in awe.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:20 pm to StlPoke
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Right now(and probably for some time), the NHL playoffs shite all over the NBA
This has been true for as long as both have played
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:22 pm to StlPoke
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NBA is as bad as I have ever seen it.
the last few players who gave a shite about winning and not just money/clowning around have retired.
Kobe leaving was the end. Lebron kind of started the downfall
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:34 pm to The Pirate King
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the last few players who gave a shite about winning and not just money/clowning around have retired.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:38 pm to The Pirate King
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the last few players who gave a shite about winning and not just money/clowning around have retired
Kobe leaving was the end. LeBron kind of started the downfall
Comical considering Kobe was the highest paid player in the NBA every season from 2009-2016, and Mr. Competitive Kevin Garnett was the highest paid player every year from 2000-2004 and 2006-2009.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:40 pm to The Pirate King
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Kobe leaving was the end. Lebron kind of started the downfall
I shudder to think what ridiculous heights Kobe's legend will reach in the future if it's this bad now.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:40 pm to The Pirate King
quote:One of these guys took a discount to win titles, and the other did not take a discount all the way through retirement.
the last few players who gave a shite about winning and not just money/clowning around have retired.
Kobe leaving was the end. Lebron kind of started the downfall
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:53 pm to shel311
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Not to mention, the Lakers won 3 straight in that time with a 15-1 playoff record in 1 postseason. Maybe it was the internet/social media age wasn't like it is today, but I don't recall people complaining about super teams then.
Your definition of a "super team" is different than what the posters your arguing with is.
Most people don't complain about balance w/ organically constructed teams (like GS was b4 Durant) & many others historically who drafted well &/or signed reclamation projects who rejuvenated their careers
For ex, the 2000 Lakers SF was Rick Fox, PG Derek Fisher & PF 35 yr old Ho Grant. The only 2 all stars in their prime were Kobe/Shaq, & Kobe was drafted via trade b4 he was KOBE. 2010's F/A collusion is not the same, & you know it
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:53 pm to shel311
Kobe Bryant led a team that won 17 games in his final season. What a winner.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:00 pm to arwicklu
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So what is the difference? You have one or two teams that can compete now and everyone else has no chance. That is basically the history of basketball.
Not true. Most of 2000-2010 the West had #6-#8 with 50 + wins. Upsets could & did happen enough to make it suspenseful. You never knew who would come out of the West. The Spurs could be a 5 seed & you wouldn't count them out. Suns were 3 or 4 seed usually with Nash, Mavs won as a #4 seed in 2010.
It seems like many of the regular posters here honestly didn't follow the NBA pre-Lebron, or they are intentionally pushing false narratives to prop up the state of the league, which is finally being panned universally by ppl w/ credible hoops knowledge
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:09 pm to AjaxFury
In 1984, there were only 23 NBA teams, so of course if you remove 7 x 15 = 105 bottom tier players the quality of each team was competitively better. The Cavs owner back then kept trading his 1st rd pick every year, which is how the Lakers DRAFTED Showtime.
80s Lakers didn't sign prime All-NBA player FA's....they made shrewd trades & hit on their draft picks. With 30 teams, the NBA should have LESS dynasties theoretically, but the players would rather game the system to get cheap rings. Respect to guys like Dirk & Duncan who didn't ring chase. Incidentally, those guys are the last of Gen X
80s Lakers didn't sign prime All-NBA player FA's....they made shrewd trades & hit on their draft picks. With 30 teams, the NBA should have LESS dynasties theoretically, but the players would rather game the system to get cheap rings. Respect to guys like Dirk & Duncan who didn't ring chase. Incidentally, those guys are the last of Gen X
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:12 pm to shel311
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That's the only reason I'd say no, just for the hope of an epic Finals, which we've had 2 in recent years.
You may enjoy an NBA season of East vs West all stars, but I'll take a competitive league with compelling surprises & upsets any day & twice on Sunday
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:16 pm to slackster
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Comical considering Kobe was the highest paid player in the NBA every season from 2009-2016, and Mr. Competitive Kevin Garnett was the highest paid player every year from 2000-2004 and 2006-2009.
And guys like Ryan Anderson & Tristan Thompson make as much or more than they did. These players have no incentive to get better anymore b/c the $ has reached the tipping point
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:19 pm to AjaxFury
quote:Explain.
These players have no incentive to get better anymore b/c the $ has reached the tipping point
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:24 pm to AjaxFury
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Not true. Most of 2000-2010 the West had #6-#8 with 50 + wins. Upsets could & did happen enough to make it suspenseful.
The west was won by the Lakers or Spurs between 2000 and 2010 every year except one. The Lakers and Spurs won 8 out of 11 championships in that period. It wasn't suspenseful.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:30 pm to arwicklu
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The west was won by the Lakers or Spurs between 2000 and 2010 every year except one. The Lakers and Spurs won 8 out of 11 championships in that period. It wasn't suspenseful.
Revisionist history. Those 10-11 years it was hardly a given for one of those two teams to always win.
Portland and Sacramento were legit challengers in the early 2000s. San Antonio came out of nowhere in 2003, but Dallas was a strong contender along with the lakers and Spurs in the mid 2000s. The advent of the SSoL Suns happened in that timeframe, when it was assumed they'd eventually break through and win the West. The Hornets were an upstart there for a couple of years.
The results bore themselves out as mostly Spurs and Lakers, but don't sit here and act like it was a given.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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The results bore themselves out as mostly Spurs and Lakers, but don't sit here and act like it was a given.
I completely disagree. Especially the Shaq and Kobe threepeat. Maybe you thought it was exciting because one of the teams was yours but without a dog in the fight there didn't seem like much suspense and the results speak to that.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:47 pm to StlPoke
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NBA is as bad as I have ever seen it.
I'm no fan of the NBA but I don't agree... really.
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Right now(and probably for some time), the NHL playoffs shite all over the NBA
to each his own.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:53 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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The results bore themselves out as mostly Spurs and Lakers, but don't sit here and act like it was a given.
It obviously wasn't a given because they didn't win every single year, but they also won with enough frequency to reasonably conclude that those were the two most talented teams in that time interval.
You assemble the most talent, especially if you're top heavy, you're going to be contending for an NBA championship. That's the blueprint.
Portland and Sacramento had deep teams where you looked at every position and saw a player you liked 1-9, but they didn't have a shot for sustained success against teams that simply had 2 or 3 of the best players in the series at any given time. If they were as good as you say they were, they should've won at least one. You can't have a 50/50 or 55/45 proposition and not get one out of eight tries.
It's the guys on the extreme right end of the bell curve that win championships. There's only so many of those guys to go around, in that time period those guys were Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan. The stats support it and so do the championships.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 8:02 pm
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