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re: BCS: Justice Department antitrust attorneys want to meet with us
Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:37 pm to Trojan Ace
Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:37 pm to Trojan Ace
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That's a big part of it.
how do they plan on doing that, when the organization and institutions are non-profit?
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:40 pm to Trojan Ace
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That's a big part of it.
and why isn't teh IRS investigating this?
Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:42 pm to Trojan Ace
Memo to SC..B!tches..Snitches..Ditches..Signed Bill Hancock.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's EXACTLY what the old system was too
it just wasn't as organized in doing so
and BCS money isn't a big deal
Were the old bowl games inflating their financial windfall by fraudulently advertising their game as as the "national championship game" irrespective to the opinions or accomplishments of all others inside the large and diverse canopy of CFB?
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:09 pm to Zamoro10
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Were the old bowl games inflating their financial windfall by fraudulently advertising their game as as the "national championship game"
yes
for example:
1996 CFB Season wiki
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National championship 1997 Sugar Bowl
there are other examples
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
and the BCS national title is the BCS/Coaches' Poll title game. that is how it is advertised
nothing has prevented the AP from choosing a different champ than the BCS
and this includes years like 2007 and 2008
nothing has prevented the AP from choosing a different champ than the BCS
and this includes years like 2007 and 2008
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes
for example:
1996 CFB Season wiki
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National championship 1997 Sugar Bowl
there are other examples
No, that's different...just like the 1987 Fiesta. It wasn't a manufactured system before the season began.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:13 pm to Zamoro10
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No, that's different.
no it's not
it just doesn't fit your argument
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It wasn't a manufactured system before the season began.
the link between bowls and conferences was set, just like it is today
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and the BCS national title is the BCS/Coaches' Poll title game. that is how it is advertised
nothing has prevented the AP from choosing a different champ than the BCS
and this includes years like 2007 and 2008
So you admit, what gives the BCS their weight/legitimacy is the coaches poll?
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:17 pm to Zamoro10
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So you admit, what gives the BCS their weight/legitimacy is the coaches poll?
i'm not speaking of "legitimacy"
the coaches poll and the 6 major conferences got together and got a sweet tv deal with ABC/FOX (it helps that the coaches poll is via a disney subsidiary like ABC) to televise the historically-backed major bowls. this association was the BCS. these bowls became BCS bowls, these conferences became BCS conferences.
that's it. they offer exhibitions games called bowls, which are part of CFB, and have been for decades
that's it. that's the "evil BCS"
a collection of conferences who got a sweet tv deal to air 5 exhibition games, with 1 being the national championship as decided by the group (which a poll is bound to honor)
when you explain what the BCS actually is, it is a lot less evil than people like you try to make it
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:21 pm to Zamoro10
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So you admit, what gives the BCS their weight/legitimacy is the coaches poll?
the title game is generally deemed legitimate because it generally does a good job of matching up the best two teams in a game (conventional wisdom rules RE: the word best tho)
obviously there are people who disagree... but there are people who disagree with every system for declaring a champion... college basketball for example has too large of a pool according to critics such as myself
seems like a sidebar discussion to the earlier point tho - the BCS is not terribly different from the system that immediately preceded it
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:25 pm to molsusports
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the title game is generally deemed legitimate because it generally does a good job of matching up the best two teams in a game
and the champ is almost always essentially universally recognized as the #1 team
that's why there has been so few disagreements b/c the BCS and independent AP poll
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
No system where the crowning final poll is a rubber-stamp by contractual obligation or where a pollster is obligated to do a complete 180 from his previous non-contractual opinion is a system that should be endorsed as legitimate...unless we want to slouch further towards a banana-republic.
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:41 pm to Zamoro10
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No system where the crowning final poll is a rubber-stamp by contractual obligation or where a pollster is obligated to do a complete 180 from his previous non-contractual opinion is a system that should be endorsed as legitimate
the frick?
why not? it's just a poll. not a death sentence
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unless we want to slouch further towards a banana-republic.
what do you even mean?
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:46 pm to Zamoro10
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No system where the crowning final poll is a rubber-stamp by contractual obligation or where a pollster is obligated to do a complete 180 from his previous non-contractual opinion is a system that should be endorsed as legitimate...unless we want to slouch further towards a banana-republic.
a banana republic?
yeah, I'm sure historians will look back on American culture... and conclude the moment we started to slide was when people had to vote the winner of a championship game the champion... even when their prior opinion contradicted that result
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
You don't see the absurdity in that? If opinion is all we have in these polls - what do you have when even opinion is taken away? What does that final coaches poll even mean but the final representation and manifestation of a business arrangement.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 9:30 pm to Zamoro10
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If opinion is all we have in these polls - what do you have when even opinion is taken away?
it's just an irrelevant point
i don't care if the BCS title is associated with any human poll's official championship
it's absurd to think that the BCS would pass muster in your eyes if it wasn't associated with the coach's poll
Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's just an irrelevant point
i don't care if the BCS title is associated with any human poll's official championship
So where is the BCS getting its authority to crown a champion...what's the weight behind the crystal ball? The polls only matter when it suits your agenda? Brilliant and toothless.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:38 pm to Zamoro10
are you under teh impression that the BCS has only one component? it seems like it
I think to many people the legitimacy of the BCS springs from a couple reasons:
1) it was an improvement over the old system where #1 and #2 (whatever your poll or ranking) were not obligated to meet
2) it was an attempt to use opinion and computer polls together to give the best possible chance of matching up the top two teams
I think to many people the legitimacy of the BCS springs from a couple reasons:
1) it was an improvement over the old system where #1 and #2 (whatever your poll or ranking) were not obligated to meet
2) it was an attempt to use opinion and computer polls together to give the best possible chance of matching up the top two teams
Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:44 pm to Zamoro10
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So where is the BCS getting its authority to crown a champion.
it's a collection of conferences who crown a champion
where did tigerdroppings get authority to crown its champion?
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The polls only matter when it suits your agenda?
when did i say this?
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