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re: BCS: Justice Department antitrust attorneys want to meet with us
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:07 am to TigerintheNO
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:07 am to TigerintheNO
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So if the BCS goes away, then the most likely scenario is a return to the old bowl system where there's not a guarantee of a meeting between the No. 1 and No. 2 teams."
This is the problem with everyone who keeps arguing for a playoff. It's not gonna happen, instead what will happen is they will go back to the old system and then everyone will be longing for the good ole days of the BCS
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:14 am to Sophandros
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When parties who willingly entire into an agreement that violates antitrust laws, the justice department steps in. That's why they have an antitrust division.
What a red herring. We are not talking about 2 airlines getting agreeing to raise prices. How is selecting teams to play in a game a violation of anti-turst? Does the Rose Bowl not have the right to decide who plays in the Rose Bowl? If the B1G and Pac 12 don't want to be in a playoff should they be forced to? I know you hate the BCS and want a playoff, and that's fine, but how is not having one a violation of anti-trust? The AP national champ is decided by a poll of 60-70 sports journalists, they can pick who ever they want. They could have voted TCU #1 last year. How is such a system violating anti-trust?
ETA: is it a violation of Anti-trust that Coke and McDonalds have an exclusive deal?
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:16 am to Sophandros
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If it's not that big then the teams in the BCS conferences should have no problem ensuring that all members of 1-A receive equal revenue.
why in the hell should the Sun Belt get = revenue to the B1G and SEC?
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:23 am to Sophandros
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And they choose not to maximize their revenue because they erroneously think that their brand will be hurt by leveling the playing field.
Define "leveling the playing field"? Even if they had the playoff you support and UAB rose out of the Sun Belt and made a mircle Butler type run, Alabama and LSU would still make waaaay more revenue, have better facilities, 100K at the games, get more donations from alum etc.
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It doesn't do what it claims to do, and its methods are tragically flawed.
This is false. It claims to pit the #1 and #2 team together in a bowl and crown the winner of that game BCS NC. Just because it doesn't have multiple rounds and mets your definition of how a champ should be named does not mean its a fraud
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The bottom line is that the Justice Department is investigating whether or not the BCS violates antitrust laws. SloFlo hasn't provided any reasons that it DOESN'T.
see and here I thought in Amurica it was supposed to work the other way around, you know, prove something is illegal, not prove its not. But tis worth noting you haven't provided any reason why it is a violation of anti-trust.
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:28 am to RLDSC FAN
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This is the problem with everyone who keeps arguing for a playoff. It's not gonna happen, instead what will happen is they will go back to the old system
exactly. The other irony is, if there was a playoff, the Big Conferences would make even more.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:29 am to TigerintheNO
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looks like some of the mid-majors might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
exactly
losing a system that provides them more revenue than what they had before, with no avenue to recoup those losses, is suicidal
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:30 am to Trojan Ace
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And you wonder what the powers that be at USC have been up to...
And I'm not talking about the University itself, but the people who have the ears and access to the powerful players in DC.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:32 am to H-Town Tiger
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the Big Conferences would make even more.
the 800 lb gorilla in the room
why nobody in CFB really pushes for a playoff
a playoff system with free market principles would pretty much require a split in D1 into 3 levels
D1-BCS
D1-A
D1-AA
that would cripple the WAC, MWC, etc
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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a playoff system with free market principles would pretty much require a split in D1 into 3 levels
D1-BCS
D1-A
D1-AA
here's what I don't get about anti-trust arguments.
What is preventing the WAC,MWC,CUSA,MAC and the Sun Belt from forming their own agreement, starting a playoff and selling that to a network?
Now if some network refused to broadcast that because the BCS conferences threatened to cancel their contracts or if the BCS conferences threatened the other conferences, like we won't play you guys anymore, i can see an anti-turst argument. But i seriously doubt that's the case.
ETA: People forget but before the BCS the BiG and Pac 10 didn't want to sign up, so the SEC/ACC/Big East. Big 8 and SWC formed the Bowl Collation and Bowl Alliance. Why don't the WAC and MWC do something like that? I wonder its because they know that no one will buy it and its much easier to gravy train off the cash cow the big schools created?
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:45 am to H-Town Tiger
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What is preventing the WAC,MWC,CUSA,MAC and the Sun Belt from forming their own agreement, starting a playoff and selling that to a network?
legally? nothing
in reality, what is preventing them from doing this is a complete lack of interest in the WAC, MWC, CUSA, MAC, and SBC
i doubt the BCS would give them any slice of the pie if they did this though, which may get the BCS in tepid water
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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what is preventing them from doing this is a complete lack of interest in the WAC, MWC, CUSA, MAC, and SBC
that's pretty much my point.
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i doubt the BCS would give them any slice of the pie if they did this though, which may get the BCS in tepid water
presumably they won't need the BCS money
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:53 am to H-Town Tiger
that's what i would say if i were the BCS
but the BCS basically pays them millions of dollars a year just to stop bitching, so i'm sure they wouldn't cut off the small conferences
seriously though BCS money isn't that much. $3-5M per school/year. a school like LSU generates $80-100M per year
but the BCS basically pays them millions of dollars a year just to stop bitching, so i'm sure they wouldn't cut off the small conferences
seriously though BCS money isn't that much. $3-5M per school/year. a school like LSU generates $80-100M per year
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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looks like some of the mid-majors might be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
exactly
losing a system that provides them more revenue than what they had before, with no avenue to recoup those losses, is suicidal
Reading this stuff
I kinda want the BCS to just dissolve and then go back to the name bowl games inviting who they want - I'll take more split championships rather than have an extended playoffs with everyone and their mother invited...
When it comes down to it selecting a playoff field is a matter of judgment no matter where you set the bar (I'd prefer a four team playoff... but that's not what the guys complaining want - they want 8 or 16 or more IMO)
frick all the small schools who don't understand how good the BCS has been to them
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:25 pm to molsusports
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(I'd prefer a four team playoff... but that's not what the guys complaining want - they want 8 or 16 or more IMO
every year or 2 it expands even more in their heads
and a playoff without every conference invited will face the same "antitrust" arguments, so basically no playoff is possible until D1 splits again
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wonder how it would legally play out if the six major conferences plus Notre Dame tried to separate into their own 1a conference... and just drop all the midmajors
I'm sure it would be legally challenged but it seems to me you should have a right to organize yourself
That would seem like the functional end of the lawsuit if it were possible to do
I'm sure it would be legally challenged but it seems to me you should have a right to organize yourself
That would seem like the functional end of the lawsuit if it were possible to do
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:31 pm to molsusports
the NCAA would have to step in
if push comes to shove, i see the BCS Conference + ND possibly leading to dissolve the NCAA before they get fricked in this
then forming something new with who they choose to
if push comes to shove, i see the BCS Conference + ND possibly leading to dissolve the NCAA before they get fricked in this
then forming something new with who they choose to
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:32 pm to molsusports
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frick all the small schools who don't understand how good the BCS has been to them
I wonder what bowl TCU would have been in this past year if we had the old systemPosted on 6/3/11 at 12:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I wonder what bowl TCU would have been in this past year if we had the old system
something like the Liberty Bowl probably
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:48 pm to barry
Barry you are clueless.
I've been saying this type of situation was going to arise and it was going to come from outside entities that wield power.
And it just did moron.
I've been saying this type of situation was going to arise and it was going to come from outside entities that wield power.
And it just did moron.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:49 pm to Trojan Ace
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I've been saying this type of situation was going to arise and it was going to come from outside entities that wield power.
you're a fricking prophet
oh let me add the date
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January 30, 2010
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 12:50 pm
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