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re: At what point will you say Lebron is better than Jordan was?
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:24 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:24 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Of course he's been in the GOAT discussion. Look, you like Jordan better, I do too. But you keep moving the goalposts on why Jordan is the GOAT. Kareem fits all your criteria and he is considered in that upper tier elite. You can't just say Jordan is best due to 6 rings and then completely ignore that criteria for someone like Kareem is my point.
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 4:00 pm to LSU alum wannabe
quote:Who cares if he had a fall away or spin move if he didn't need them to dominate? You are just making up random stuff that has not tangible value beyond the extent that they help one perform. A player who is the best at making a difficult, low percentage shot (e.g., fade away deep 2), but not very good at getting and making an easy, high percentage shot, is not better than than the reverse; in fact, just the opposite. It's not gymnastics: they are rewarded for style points and difficulty levels.
has a spin move, and fall away
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:57 pm to monkeybutt
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course he's been in the GOAT discussion. Look, you like Jordan better
Probably. But in 1988. Like I said. Did people even have "goat discussions"? Then it could have been Russell.
Jordan is the best because he does the most. Most rings of anybody with the most stats and all around ability.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:22 pm to tigerskin
Look, I'm no Jordan fan. I was a fan of the Knicks back during the Ewing days, and Jordan was the guy who prevented them from winning multiple championships. There were plenty of occasions where I cursed and spat at the mention of Michael Jordan. Hated the guy.
That all said, Lebron is no Jordan.
That all said, Lebron is no Jordan.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:11 pm to I am GLORIOUS
You're 100% correct. When someone says something like centers can't be GOATs because saber metrics state that they don't shoot well enough from the FT line. You can be sure they don't know anything about basketball and saber metrics is about as important as toilet paper. It's odd how many champions don't perform well by saber metrics standards, almost like it's a worthless stat.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:17 am to Ghazi
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Jordan doesnt lose the 2011 series against the Mavericks.
That wasn't just a series loss, all players have those, that was a series loss where Lebron was at best the 3rd best player on the court.
Imagine if in the 93 Finals Barkley and Pippen are the best players on the court and MJ taps out late in games after mocking Barkley for being too out of shape to go 48-- that's 2011 Lebron- Dirk bitch slapped him and carried his team to a title and only Wade seemed to give a shite.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:20 am to Goldrush25
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This is a bit of a ridiculous standard seeing as Lebron made his first Finals at 22, whereas MJ was busy getting swept out of the playoffs at that same age.
Yeah well one had to go through the Bad Boy Pistons and the Bird-McHale-Parish Celtics, the other went up against what the a good Pistons squads and....no other Eastern Conference teams that won titles?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:23 am to shel311
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Also, if you moved him over to the West for his entire career and keep all other teams the same, he likely still has right around 3 titles, with just less trips to the Finals. So he'd end up being 3 for 3 or something like that.
So just a bit below Tim Duncan then?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:26 am to shel311
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Lebron had Mo Williams.
He also had Delonte West, I hear that guy was a real motherfricker.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 1:37 am to reo45
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If it weren't for Pop and the Spurs sweeping the young Lebron early in his career he would have had a championship when he wasn't even close to his peak as a player. Just scratching the surface at that time.
Wait....not to say that the appearance alone wasn't impressive but I don't think you can play the "but for the Spurs" card when you don't really even compete in the series. I mean there were probably 4-5 West teams that would have beaten the Cavs that year.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:40 am to montanagator
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there were probably 4-5 West teams that would have beaten the Cavs that year.
07 Cavs weren't beating DAL, PHX, or SAS.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
Lebron didn't really have it easy in 07 like people are trying to say in here
He beat the Pistons, who did this
2004 won title
2005 lost in NBA finals to spurs in 7
2006 lost in conference finals to eventual NBA champion heat
2007 is the Bron year
2008 lost in conference finals to eventual NBA champion Celtics
So people are trying to reinvent history that Lebron didn't best a fricking phenomenal team to make the finals
He beat the Pistons, who did this
2004 won title
2005 lost in NBA finals to spurs in 7
2006 lost in conference finals to eventual NBA champion heat
2007 is the Bron year
2008 lost in conference finals to eventual NBA champion Celtics
So people are trying to reinvent history that Lebron didn't best a fricking phenomenal team to make the finals
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:32 am to lsupride87
I'm not talking about the Pistons at all. It was a terrific series win for James. Never said it was easy.
I'm talking about the Finals. That Cavs team was getting bitchslapped by West seeds 1-3 regardless of James' heroics.
I'm talking about the Finals. That Cavs team was getting bitchslapped by West seeds 1-3 regardless of James' heroics.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:36 am to Madking
quote:Basketball and saber metrics
You can be sure they don't know anything about basketball and saber metrics
quote:Well, saber metrics certainly are worthless to basketball.
It's odd how many champions don't perform well by saber metrics standards, almost like it's a worthless stat.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:40 am to montanagator
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Yeah well one had to go through the Bad Boy Pistons and the Bird-McHale-Parish Celtics, the other went up against what the a good Pistons squads
That certainly isn't the difference between Lebron going to the Finals at 22 and MJ not going to the Finals at 22.
MJ was 24 and in I think his 4th season before the Bulls had a winning record.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:40 am to montanagator
quote:Possibly...and?
So just a bit below Tim Duncan then?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:41 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:'07 Cavs were better than '07 GS, no?
07 Cavs weren't beating DAL, PHX, or SAS.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:42 am to tigerskin
When he wins 7 championships....
.......without losing one.
.......without losing one.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:45 am to montanagator
quote:
Yeah well one had to go through the Bad Boy Pistons and the Bird-McHale-Parish Celtics, the other went up against what the a good Pistons squads and....no other Eastern Conference teams that won titles?
Are you forgetting about the Boston Big 3?
Oh I think you're talking about his first Cavs run, the one when his second best player was Mo Williams.
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:50 am to Goldrush25
quote:Nah, he's talking about Lebron going to the Finals at 22.
Are you forgetting about the Boston Big 3?
Oh I think you're talking about his first Cavs run, the one when his second best player was Mo Williams.
He's saying the reason MJ didn't do the same was because of Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons. Nevermind the Bad Boy Pistons didn't even exist then, but the reason is because at 22 MJ had only played 1 full season as a rookie on a very poor team. It had nothing to do with other teams.
That's what makes Lebron's run to the Finals at 22 that much more impressive.
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