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However we do have some examples of Belichick's record without Brady. A 36-44 record and 1 playoff appearance with the Brown. 16-16 in 2 seasons with the Pats where Brady didn't play (although that 11-5 record in 2008 is usually a playoff worthy record and sometimes will win a team a division)

To be fair, the Ravens didn't win until they left Cleveland, either.

Also, what has Brady accomplished without Belichick? In college, he sat behind Brian Griese and battled Drew Henson for playing time.

I think they both deserve a lot of credit. It's hard for me to say who deserves more, but I'll go with Belichick.

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Posted by SoFla Tideroller

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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:00 pm to ohiovol

For a supposed defensive genius, the Patriots have been mediocre more times than not in the last decade.

Brady should get more credit.

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Posted by TigerBait1127

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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller

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For a supposed defensive genius, the Patriots have been mediocre more times than not in the last decade.

Tom Brady has had a top 10 scoring defense to play with on average

2013 - 10
2012 - 9
2011 - 15
2010 - 8
2009 - 5
2008 - 8
2007 - 4
2006 - 2
2005 - 17
2004 - 2
2003 - 1

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Posted by High C

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Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:13 pm to theGarnetWay

I'll tell you at the end of the day.

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Posted by LSUANDY25

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Member since Dec 2012

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Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:26 pm to High C

Coach Belichek- they even won with Cassel
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What did they win with Cassel? Only year they didnt make playoffs with a stacked team that went 18-0 the yr previous.

Here's ESPN's rankings;
Defense Offense
2003 7th 17th
2004 9th 7th
2005 26th 7th
2006 6th 11th
2007 4th 1st
2008 10th 5th
2009 11th 3rd
2010 25th 2nd
2011 31st 2nd
went to Super Bowl with 31st rankeed defense has never happened. I guess Bill threw those passes
2012 25th 1st
2013 26th 7th( typical fan cant name 3 Off. starters against Denver in AFC final.

Top 3 draft picks
2013 LB, WR, DB
2012 DE/LB FS
2011 OL, Light retired, DB, RB
2010 DB, TE, LB
2009 DB,TE,LB
2008 LB,DB,LB
2007 DB, DT, OL
2006 RB, WR, TE (all busts no help for Brady)
2005 OL, Db, OL
2004 NT,TE,DE
2003 DE, DB, WR

Who is carrying who?

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