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As much as people like to label the 90s Braves playoff chokers
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:01 pm
They made EIGHT consecutive NLCS appearances during the 90s. They played in every National League Championship Series in the 90s except the first one in 1990. The Braves were 15-2 against their five Division series opponents and were never taken to a deciding game. That is incredibly impressive. As great as the dynasty Yankees were, their longest streak was four consecutive ALCS appearances. The Cardinals currently have a streak of four consecutive NLCS appearances but it took an epic choke job by the Nationals and a lot of luck to keep that streak going. And there have been great teams in recent years like the 2011 Phillies and the Yankees teams in the mid 2000s that failed to get out of the first round. The NLCS appearance streak is a very underrated accomplishment.
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Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:04 pm to Bench McElroy
This will end well.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:06 pm to Bench McElroy
they were definitely the buffalo bills of the 90's in baseball. solid run
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:09 pm to Bench McElroy
People would seemingly rather miss the playoffs entirely than continuously make the playoffs and lose. It's a huge logical fallacy but you see it a lot in college basketball as well.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:10 pm to Bench McElroy
Baseball playoffs are a crapshoot. Calling any team that loses 3 of 5 games or 4 of 7 games chokers is stupid.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:18 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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People would seemingly rather miss the playoffs entirely than continuously make the playoffs and lose. It's a huge logical fallacy but you see it a lot in college basketball as well.
And the NBA. Apparently LeBron winning the ECF rather than losing it lowers his greatness
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:19 pm to VermilionTiger
Peyton Manning going to the Super Bowl and getting creamed was worse than Tom Brady losing to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. 
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:27 pm to Bench McElroy
Beginning in 1991, the Barves are 63-71 (.470) in the postseason.
They are 10-23 in their last 33 postseason games (.303).
They have lost seven consecutive postseason series and one wildcard game.
I'd say that it's unfair to call the 90's a decade of chokes, but the past seven years are nothing but choke.
They are 10-23 in their last 33 postseason games (.303).
They have lost seven consecutive postseason series and one wildcard game.
I'd say that it's unfair to call the 90's a decade of chokes, but the past seven years are nothing but choke.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:27 pm to oldcharlie8
The bills didn't win a championship. That was always one of the most stupid comparisons. There was a lot of bad timing with those braves teams though. The late 90's Yankees, the 98 padres, and the 97 marlins were buzzsaws. There was no shame in losing to those teams. There's choking and then there is just getting beat by the better team. The cold hard truth is the braves just weren't as good as those teams.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:30 pm to ballscaster
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I'd say that it's unfair to call the 90's a decade of chokes, but the past seven years are nothing but choke.
I don't think you know what the word choke means. The Braves had no business winning any of their last 7 postseason series. Those teams were never championship contenders.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:40 pm to motorbreath
quote:In 2002 they won 5 more regular season games than San Francisco, who beat them in the NLDS.
The Braves had no business winning any of their last 7 postseason series.
In 2003 they won 13 more regular season games than Chicago, who beat them in the NLDS.
In 2004 they won 4 more regular season games than Houston, who beat them in the NLDS.
In 2005 they won 1 more regular season game than Houston, who beat them in four games in the NLDS.
In 2012 they won 6 more regular season games than St. Louis, who beat them in the NLWCG in Atlanta.
In 2013 they won 4 more regular season games than Los Angeles, who beat them in four games in the NLDS.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:45 pm to ballscaster
Semantics. Some of those series were coinflips that could have gone either way. Even if they did win some of those series, they weren't going to go past the next round. I didn't take any of those teams seriously.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:50 pm to motorbreath
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The Braves had no business winning any of their last 7 postseason series.
quote:Backpedal.
Some of those series were coinflips that could have gone either way.
quote:Neither do I. I've become used to the Barves losing postseason series when they've had a better record and homefield advantage. They are chokers.
I didn't take any of those teams seriously.
quote:In 2002, had the Barves beaten San Francisco, they would have faced St. Louis, who had 4 fewer wins than Atlanta.
Even if they did win some of those series, they weren't going to go past the next round.
In 2003, had the Barves beaten Chicago, they would have faced Florida, who had 10 fewer wins than Atlanta.
This post was edited on 7/15/15 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 6:11 pm to ballscaster
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Backpedal.
Slightly on that one point, yes. But the crux of my point still stands.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 6:17 pm to motorbreath
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There was no shame in losing to those teams. There's choking and then there is just getting beat by the better team. The cold hard truth is the braves just weren't as good
as those teams.
bills were a atleast touchdown dog in thier last 3 superbowls
Posted on 7/15/15 at 6:17 pm to motorbreath
quote:Which crux? You say that none of those teams were championship contenders, but you also say that postseason series are largely random. Two of these won 100+ games, and another five won 90+, making them definitive championship contenders. Five of these teams lost to lesser teams in the postseason.
But the crux of my point still stands.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 6:19 pm to VermilionTiger
Exactly. Because now Lebron lost In the nba finals which is somehow worse than losing earlier
Posted on 7/15/15 at 6:29 pm to ballscaster
I didn't say postseason series were largely random. That was another guy. Just because you won 90 or 100 games doesn't necessarily make you a championship contender. The Braves front office did a great job for a large part of the early 00s finding good role players. Combining that with Bobby Cox's leadership and some great veteran leadership from players that were mostly past their prime helped stretch their regular season win totals.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 6:32 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Only time i see it counted against him was in mj comparisons. He has one less season in which he didnt make finals than mj (full seasons and add 2 if count wizards years)
Basically once mj made finals he never played another full season before wizards that he wasnt the champ.so once they are even on that the argument i see of "jordan doesnt get years he didn5 make finals counted against him just point to 6-0" wouldn't defend lebron anymore as they would then be same amount of years finals not made
Basically once mj made finals he never played another full season before wizards that he wasnt the champ.so once they are even on that the argument i see of "jordan doesnt get years he didn5 make finals counted against him just point to 6-0" wouldn't defend lebron anymore as they would then be same amount of years finals not made
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