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Are QBs better these days, or is the position just easier to play?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:34 pm
I'll hang up and listen.
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Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:37 pm to sorantable
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Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:37 pm to sorantable
its easier to throw for 4000 yards but elite qb's are just as difficult to come by. the top 8 stay fairly static for a reason.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:37 pm to sorantable
RPO's have changed the game
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:38 pm to sorantable
The ball is smaller than it was way back in the day. There are a LOT more domed stadiums to protect you from the elements. Baseball was the dominant sport for great athletes 75 years ago. Football got the leftovers.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:39 pm to Chad504boy
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its easier to throw for 4000 yards but elite qb's are just as difficult to come by. the top 8 stay fairly static for a reason.
A lot of QB's can complete passes in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd quarters.
What separates the average from the elite is the ability to get the job done in pressure situations.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:46 pm to Zach
Yes there have been a ton of rule changes + gloves + domes
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:46 pm to sorantable
The rules have been modified to make passing easier and to protect the quarterback.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:04 pm to Zach
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The ball is smaller than it was way back in the day.
If by the day, you mean 1935.
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In 1935, the NFL shortened the ball's short axis to between 21-1/4 and 21-1/2 in. The ball's length was shortened that year to between 11 and 11-1/4 in., and the amount of air that it could hold was set at 12.5 to 13.5 psi. Its long axis of 28 to 28-1/2 in., however, did not change. These dimensions remain today, as does the ball's shape, which has been called a "prolate spheroid" since 1890.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:16 pm to sorantable
Qb's and offensive players in general are protected. WR's can't get clothes lined going across the middle. DB's can't be as physical. DL can't hit qb high or low. Offenses are wide open compared to 20-30 years ago.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:17 pm to sorantable
Easier.
You could read a hundred articles about it. It's not rocket science.
Joey Harrington would be a good QB now. 18 of the top 20 QB ratings in history are basically from the last 15 years...and a lot of the "top guys" were total bums this past decade. You have losers with higher ratings than Montana and Marino...total loser QBs with higher ratings.
Just shows you how you need to put into perspective Brady, Manning and Brees and Rodgers accomplishments. Use judgment and a grain of salt.
It used to be unheard for a rookie to come in and start...even a 2nd year guy to start.
It took a good 2-3 years to mature to handle the speed, ferocity, pressure, head-hunting linebackers and holding DBs.
Take away all of that but speed and you get guys starting right away.
Do yourself a favor and read up on "the Dead Ball era" in football. The lowest era of QB ratings in history...QB ratings were very high in the 50's, decent in the 60's - can't move the ball in the 70's - rebounded to a decent degree in the 80's with the Mel Blount rule...increased in the 90's...then went stratosphere in the 2000's with the Manning rule (can't touch WRs - after Polian complained after the 2004 AFC Champ game and the Brady rule (can't touch a a QB high or low).
You could read a hundred articles about it. It's not rocket science.
Joey Harrington would be a good QB now. 18 of the top 20 QB ratings in history are basically from the last 15 years...and a lot of the "top guys" were total bums this past decade. You have losers with higher ratings than Montana and Marino...total loser QBs with higher ratings.
Just shows you how you need to put into perspective Brady, Manning and Brees and Rodgers accomplishments. Use judgment and a grain of salt.
It used to be unheard for a rookie to come in and start...even a 2nd year guy to start.
It took a good 2-3 years to mature to handle the speed, ferocity, pressure, head-hunting linebackers and holding DBs.
Take away all of that but speed and you get guys starting right away.
Do yourself a favor and read up on "the Dead Ball era" in football. The lowest era of QB ratings in history...QB ratings were very high in the 50's, decent in the 60's - can't move the ball in the 70's - rebounded to a decent degree in the 80's with the Mel Blount rule...increased in the 90's...then went stratosphere in the 2000's with the Manning rule (can't touch WRs - after Polian complained after the 2004 AFC Champ game and the Brady rule (can't touch a a QB high or low).
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:25 pm to Winston Cup
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The rules have been modified to make passing easier and to protect the quarterback.
Started with 1978 rule changes:
1)Mel Blount Rule that ended the Bump & Run when it was legal to hit ,shove a Receiver any place down the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air. Now you cannot touch a receiver beyond 5 yards & they run routes practically unimpeded(basketball on the Gridiron).
2)In 78 Offensive lineman were also literally allowed to extend arms & hold as long as hands are inside shoulders given QBs more time to throw.
3) Incidental contact/ fighting for position was once allowed beyond 5 yards ,but now you can barely touch a receiver .
4) Can no longer really intimidate / take out receivers because of the helpless receiver rule. Little fear from coaches of sending receivers across the middle.
5) QB can hook slide or throw the ball in the dirt outside the pocket and there's no grounding.
QB in the grasp,( which I have no issue with in theory ). Once could body slam QBs like rag dolls. No need for that.
6) Late 70's cut blocking / chop blocking by offenses was also allowed.
Few off the top of my head.
Get rid of half those rules & offensive numbers begin to plummet & QBs barely survive the season.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:57 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You could read a hundred articles about it. It's not rocket science.
Joey Harrington would be a good QB now. 18 of the top 20 QB ratings in history are basically from the last 15 years...and a lot of the "top guys" were total bums this past decade. You have losers with higher ratings than Montana and Marino...total loser QBs with higher ratings.
Just shows you how you need to put into perspective Brady, Manning and Brees and Rodgers accomplishments. Use judgment and a grain of salt.
It used to be unheard for a rookie to come in and start...even a 2nd year guy to start.
It took a good 2-3 years to mature to handle the speed, ferocity, pressure, head-hunting linebackers and holding DBs.
Take away all of that but speed and you get guys starting right away.
Do yourself a favor and read up on "the Dead Ball era" in football. The lowest era of QB ratings in history...QB ratings were very high in the 50's, decent in the 60's - can't move the ball in the 70's - rebounded to a decent degree in the 80's with the Mel Blount rule...increased in the 90's...then went stratosphere in the 2000's with the Manning rule (can't touch WRs - after Polian complained after the 2004 AFC Champ game and the Brady rule (can't touch a a QB high or low).
OP. Listen to this man.
I stumbled into a thread here a few weeks ago & someone was trying to argue Romo was a greater QB than Roger Staubach according to the stats. I roled my eyes & turned off my computer.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:59 pm to sugar71
wait, what????
QB's are grossly overrated these days, stat padders.
QB's are grossly overrated these days, stat padders.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:27 pm to Zach
quote:ISWYDT
The ball is smaller than it was way back in the day
Deflategate is old news, though.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:29 pm to sugar71
quote:Very well. But stats still do play a roll. How big a roll do you think play? They have to be factored in. Figuring out the best QB can't just be a role of the dice.
I roled my eyes & turned off my computer.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:32 pm to sorantable
WAY EASIER
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:34 pm to sugar71
It's just the amount of first/second year QBs that are seeing great success lately seems absurd. Dak Prescott was a great QB at Mississippi State, but to imagine that he would jump into the starting role for the Cowboys and enjoy the kind of success that he's enjoying is just crazy. If anyone says they saw this coming, they're lying.
Makes Goff seem even more terrible.
Makes Goff seem even more terrible.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:26 pm to sorantable
Know how I know you haven't watched any NFL games lately?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:38 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Yes there have been a ton of rule changes + gloves + domes
All the rule changes over the years have favored the offense.
Offensive linemen used to not be able to use their hands at all, now they have to practically tackle a guy to get called for holding.
QB's are protected, receivers are practically untouchable outside 5 yards now, no more head slaps for defenders and on and on.
That defenses ever stop anybody these days is amazing.
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