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Anyone else tired of hearing about Ali?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:08 pm
Yes, I get it. He was a great boxer and his death should allow for a time of reflection of his achievements.
But when exactly did he become some sort of inspirational, world-changing hero to celebrated on an altar? Somewhere around the time he became diagnosed with Parkinson's it became trendy to treat him like he bestowed the world with some life-saving cure for cancer or technological advance.
He was a magnificent boxer. He was also manipulative race baiter and shite talker. He called white people "devils" and his black opponents "Uncle Toms" to destroy their reputations in the AA community. Ali called Patterson, Foreman, Joe Louis and Joe Frazier names like "gorillas" and "white bitches" "ignorant white kiss asses" to turn blacks against them. He used skin color to make money in a way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be proud.
He paved the way for what? A generation of athletes like Terrell Owens, Deion Sanders and Floyd Mayweather? Great.
So let's celebrate his achievements and give him the credit he deserves in the ring but stop pretending he's Martin Luther King, please.
But when exactly did he become some sort of inspirational, world-changing hero to celebrated on an altar? Somewhere around the time he became diagnosed with Parkinson's it became trendy to treat him like he bestowed the world with some life-saving cure for cancer or technological advance.
He was a magnificent boxer. He was also manipulative race baiter and shite talker. He called white people "devils" and his black opponents "Uncle Toms" to destroy their reputations in the AA community. Ali called Patterson, Foreman, Joe Louis and Joe Frazier names like "gorillas" and "white bitches" "ignorant white kiss asses" to turn blacks against them. He used skin color to make money in a way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be proud.
He paved the way for what? A generation of athletes like Terrell Owens, Deion Sanders and Floyd Mayweather? Great.
So let's celebrate his achievements and give him the credit he deserves in the ring but stop pretending he's Martin Luther King, please.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 2:15 pm
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:10 pm to ClientNumber9
I don't really care but I do find some of the stuff they say about him funny, like how humble he was. 
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:11 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:GOAT, in the ring.
let's celebrate his achievements and give him the credit he deserves in the ring but stop pretending he's Martin Luther King, please.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:13 pm to ClientNumber9
Yea, it's a bit much
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:15 pm to ClientNumber9
I agree wholeheartedly... he was one of the first reverse racists
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:19 pm to reggo75
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reverse racists
Just 'racist' will suffice.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:19 pm to ClientNumber9
He secured the release of American hostages from Iraq during the first gulf war. How many times have you negotiated the release of American hostages you commie bastard? 
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:20 pm to ClientNumber9
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He was a magnificent boxer. He was also manipulative race baiter and shite talker. He called white people "devils" and his black opponents "Uncle Toms" to destroy their reputations in the AA community. Ali called Patterson, Foreman, Joe Louis and Joe Frazier names like "gorillas" and "white bitches" "ignorant white kiss asses" to turn blacks against them. He used skin color to make money in a way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be proud
Humans are complex creatures. Who knew?
He did a lot of good but also had some regrettable comments/moments. Which person hasn't? What would they have said about you had you been important enough to have had a microphone in front of you at age 22? Hell you probably are 22 right now.
Why does "white devils" offend you? He wasn't talking about all white people, just the white devils, and there were plenty of them when he was a young adult.
While calling Frazier a "gorilla" in a vacuum seems like a regrettable choice of words, he gave all of his opponents animal names. He called one guy the octopus, he called Patterson a rabbit. I think he called Liston a bear. You probably didn't know that though, because you don't care to know.
I'm not going to pretend that he didn't make some comments that were ill-advised, but he's someone that grew up before the world's eyes. Who he was at a single point in his lifetime wasn't who he was years later, so I don't think it's accurate to say that. I think most reasonable people can appreciated the journey that he made as a person, while being one of the all-time great boxers.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:21 pm to ClientNumber9
They have had a moment of silence for him at every god damn sporting event, it's fricking asinine
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:21 pm to ClientNumber9
Michael J. Fox is the parkinson's GOAT
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:24 pm to ClientNumber9
It's time to move on to Gordie Howe.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:27 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
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Just 'racist' will suffice.
Shhhh... {whisper voice} you can't call black people racists
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:28 pm to Goldrush25
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He did a lot of good but also had some regrettable comments/moments. Which person hasn't?
Exactly. So why has he been paraded around for the last 15 years like he saved the world?
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Hell you probably are 22 right now.
I'm 40 with a wife, four kids, a mortgage and a good job. I'm upper middle class and have contributed far more to society than a boxer.
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While calling Frazier a "gorilla" in a vacuum seems like a regrettable choice of words, he gave all of his opponents animal names. He called one guy the octopus, he called Patterson a rabbit. I think he called Liston a bear
No. He sought to destroy their lives. If you disagreed with Ali's Nation of Islam stance, he did everything he could to turn you into an outcast. Don't paint Ali's race-baiting as some harmless joke or random, off the cuff comments. He planned every outburst and statement he made to the media.
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he's someone that grew up before the world's eyes. Who he was at a single point in his lifetime wasn't who he was years later, so I don't think it's accurate to say that
No, he did very little, considering the national outpouring of honorific deification that's going on here.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:31 pm to ClientNumber9
yes
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:32 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:I looked on the list after seeing this thread posted, and surprisingly, you are NOT on the list of people tired of talking about Ali.
Anyone else tired of hearing about Ali? by ClientNumber9
Tired of talking Ali, let's start a thread then give a few paragraphs on your Ali hot takes!!!
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:33 pm to ClientNumber9
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I'm 40 with a wife, four kids, a mortgage and a good job. I'm upper middle class and have contributed far more to society than a boxer.
If you're so confident and pleased with your contributions to society, why are you so bitter over a celebrity who you believe is beneath you?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:36 pm to ClientNumber9
An athlete was an imperfect person? Someone get the vapors !
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:37 pm to ClientNumber9
A lot of people have kinda created their own history about Ali. Dude was an a-hole.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:38 pm to ClientNumber9
people always focus on only the good when someone dies, no big deal. Maybe not when OJ dies but most celebs and athletes are honored more than spoken about truthfully.
Anyway I haven't watched the coverage at all so it doesn't bother me obviously
Anyway I haven't watched the coverage at all so it doesn't bother me obviously
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:38 pm to ClientNumber9
The one time I had enough of a dead celebrity or athlete was Dale Earnhardt.
Nothing against the guy, but that felt like it went on for weeks.
Nothing against the guy, but that felt like it went on for weeks.
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