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re: Amateur soccer players is sentenced to 8-15 years in death of referee
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:56 am to oleyeller
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:56 am to oleyeller
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what about someone driving while on the cell phone and wrecks and kills someone? Or someone messing with the radio and wrecks and kills someone?
Those things aren't a crime. (Unless in a state where it is illegal to be on the phone and drive.)
Assault is a crime. The intent was not murder, but the intent of assault was there. Deal with the conequences. 8 years for a crime resulting in death is more than a fair sentence.
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:56 am to oleyeller
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yeah he killed someone.. i understand that. But he doesnt deserve 8 years. He was caught up in heat of the moment. People punch people all the dam time. He didnt intentionally try and kill the guy. Accidents happen.
Guy gets caught in the heat of the moment. Shoots and kills a guy. People shoot people all the dam time.
Guy gets drunk after a heat of the moment argument. Drives drunk and kills someone. People drive and people drink all the time.
oleyeller logic.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:57 am to BeYou
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yeah he killed someone.. i understand that. But he doesnt deserve 8 years. He was caught up in heat of the moment. People punch people all the dam time. He didnt intentionally try and kill the guy. Accidents happen.
You have to be trolling. No one can be this dumb.
im not trolling, and im not trying to be insensitive. I know he did something wrong, something bad happened because of it. He is responsible for his actions. He needs to be punished. I just dont think 8 years is helping anyone in the situation, unless this guy had some sort of history of violence or something.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:57 am to oleyeller
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He was caught up in heat of the moment
that's a defining part of manslaughter. and why he wasn't charged with murder.
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He didnt intentionally try and kill the guy.
and that's why he was charged with involuntary manslaughter. you may disagree with the sentencing range, but you pretty much just agreed the actual charge.
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yeah he killed someone.. i understand that
very few situations exist where you take an intentional act, especially one intended to harm another (like say, hitting someone) that kills a human being, where you won't go to jail. as it should be
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:57 am to Chillini
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Guy gets caught in the heat of the moment. Shoots and kills a guy.
because shooting someone is just like punching them.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:58 am to oleyeller
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unless this guy had some sort of history of violence or something.
He punched a referee in a recreational game because he was mad at a call.
That's enough of a history of violence in my opinion to warrant locking up a murderer.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:59 am to Celtic Tiger
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He was caught up in heat of the moment
that's a defining part of manslaughter. and why he wasn't charged with murder.
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He didnt intentionally try and kill the guy.
and that's why he was charged with involuntary manslaughter. you may disagree with the sentencing range, but you pretty much just agreed the actual charge.
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yeah he killed someone.. i understand that
very few situations exist where you take an intentional act, especially one intended to harm another (like say, hitting someone) that kills a human being, where you won't go to jail. as it should be
i 100% agree with the charge you are right... i just think the 8 years is extreme for an isolated incidient "if that is the case"
Posted on 3/13/15 at 10:59 am to Tigerfan56
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locking up a murderer
he isnt a murderer
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:03 am to Chillini
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Guy gets caught in the heat of the moment. Shoots and kills a guy. People shoot people all the dam time.
Guy gets drunk after a heat of the moment argument. Drives drunk and kills someone. People drive and people drink all the time.
Habitual criminal or one-time offender? Because the purpose of imprisonment is either to remove the offender from society, punish the offender or serve as a deterrent for society as a whole.
As a deterrent, it's pretty mediocre. Punishment is hit or miss really and isn't really satisfying. Removal from society is probably the best reason, but does society benefit from the removal of one-time offenders or does is suffer?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:04 am to Shadowlink
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Still waiting on a hockey player to die from a punch to the head. Will be interesting to see what the NHL does after that.
Those phony staged fights don't really present the opportunity for someone to land a blow like that, nor are the "combatants" even trying to deliver one.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:05 am to oleyeller
any individual's death is an "isolated incident." only happens once. and as mentioned above, it last a lot longer than 8 years. whether or not the violent act was intended to cause death, it did. he should have known it could cause death, because shite happens. any time you strike a person, you open yourself up to that risk. he took it. it may have been a fluke, but that doesn't matter to the dead guy or his family.
as a side note, I'm starting to believe that the stupider the reason for killing someone, the stronger the sentence should be. a red card is a damn dumb reason to take a life.
as a side note, I'm starting to believe that the stupider the reason for killing someone, the stronger the sentence should be. a red card is a damn dumb reason to take a life.
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:05 am to oleyeller
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doesnt deserve jail time. Ridiculous
So if I walk up to you and punch you resulting in your death, I should get no jail time? Just because it was during a sporting event doesn't make it ok.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:09 am to double d
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So if I walk up to you and punch you resulting in your death, I should get no jail time? Just because it was during a sporting event doesn't make it ok.
like i said later on down, i need to reword my original post. He doesnt deserve that much time. I understand what he did, and he has to serve whatever punishment he got. 8 years just seems a bit much for this.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:10 am to oleyeller
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People punch people all the dam time.
rationale adults really dont
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:12 am to Tigerfan56
If you attack a referee because of a decision he made during a game, you deserve jail time, regardless if he dies or not.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:12 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Removal from society is probably the best reason, but does society benefit from the removal of one-time offenders or does is suffer?
When you violently assault someone over something so meaningless, I'd say society would benefit from his imprisonment.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:14 am to oleyeller
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im not trolling, and im not trying to be insensitive. I know he did something wrong, something bad happened because of it. He is responsible for his actions. He needs to be punished. I just dont think 8 years is helping anyone in the situation, unless this guy had some sort of history of violence or something.
He has a history of this.
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In 2005, he had assaulted a soccer player in a separate incident.
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This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:14 am to Tigerfan56
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Im okay with this.
Umm, no shite?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:18 am to BeYou
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im not trolling, and im not trying to be insensitive. I know he did something wrong, something bad happened because of it. He is responsible for his actions. He needs to be punished. I just dont think 8 years is helping anyone in the situation, unless this guy had some sort of history of violence or something.
He has a history of this.
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In 2005, he had assaulted a soccer player in a separate incident.
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then i 100% agree with the verdict and he deserves every year he gets. I did not know the whole story. Thank you for clearing that up, im now sure that is why he got the 8+ years. I take back everything i have said earlier in this thread
Posted on 3/13/15 at 11:23 am to oleyeller
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doesnt deserve jail time. Ridiculous
Well, someone is dead. Someone usually has to pay the price.
This is why I discourage fighting. You never know if your punch is going to cause severe damage or bleeding which results in death. If that happens, chances are the DA isn't going to let it go.
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