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re: Am I the only person who likes the 35 second shot clock in college hoops
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:01 am to goldennugget
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:01 am to goldennugget
The 35 second shot clock is terrible in many aspects.
Another? Say a team manages to get 2 offensive rebounds in a possession. Under this scenario, a single 'possession' can last nearly 2 minutes. That's a pretty big chunk of a 12 minute quarter. Who wants to see that? Stuff like that does nothing but bog the game down.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:23 am to goldennugget
Imagine a 10 second shot clock, that would be fun as hell
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:32 am to goldennugget
No you aren't the only person but those who agree with you can eat a bag of dicks. shite is boring.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:42 am to GetCocky11
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NCAA women use a 30-second shot clock. No reason for the men to use a 35-second shot clock.
How much BS is it that women's basketball doesn't have a 10 second half court count? Reduce the count to 8 for the men and you'll get some exciting basketball.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:47 am to Black n Gold
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How much BS is it that women's basketball doesn't have a 10 second half court count? Reduce the count to 8 for the men and you'll get some exciting basketball.
They actually recently changed this, I believe. The women do have a 10 second count to advance the ball now.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:58 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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I've always thought 35 was too long.
For the college game, 24 isn't long enough, I'd like to see a 30 second clock.
Completely agree.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:34 am to goldennugget
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Competitive Balance, with a 24 second shot clock there would not be as much parody, the deeper/more athletic teams like Kentucky would be even more dominant. A 35 second shot clock allows less gifted teams to control the tempo of the game similar to how wishbone offenses do the same in football. The more possessions in a game, the more favored the deeper/more talented team is.
It creates an artificial balance. It makes one game scenarios less predictable. That's not good for the sport. It would be better for the sport if the more talented won.
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It emphasizes defense, a 24 second clock would favor transition teams and faster paced offenses. A 35 second shot clock, playing defense is more important. Virginia and Wisconsin are 2 teams whose entire identity is based on the 35 second shot clock and would not be able to do what they do with a 24 second one.
I disagree. It definitely favors the offense. Can't tell you how many times I've watched a good defensive possession only to realize there's still 10 seconds on the shot clock. It's inevitable that a team can create a decent shot in that much time.
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It allows for more offensive creativity, the Princeton offense would not exist, and unique yet highly entertaining to watch motion offenses like Stew Morrill's(he is retiring after this season, so sad) at Utah State would die. A 24 second shot clock just encourages simple offenses and one on one matchups, as well as chucking; instead of 5 guys working together to create an open look.
It also allows teams to take the air out of the ball. I want to see a team get into their offense and find a good shot rather than pounding the ball into the floor 40 feet from the basket.
35 seconds is entirely too long. It's the longest shot clock in organized basketball. Shaving it down to 30 seconds would be great for men's college basketball.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:31 pm to goldennugget
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I like the 35 second shot clock for these reasons:
-Competitive Balance, with a 24 second shot clock there would not be as much parody, the deeper/more athletic teams like Kentucky would be even more dominant. A 35 second shot clock allows less gifted teams to control the tempo of the game similar to how wishbone offenses do the same in football. The more possessions in a game, the more favored the deeper/more talented team is.
-It emphasizes defense, a 24 second clock would favor transition teams and faster paced offenses. A 35 second shot clock, playing defense is more important. Virginia and Wisconsin are 2 teams whose entire identity is based on the 35 second shot clock and would not be able to do what they do with a 24 second one.
-It allows for more offensive creativity, the Princeton offense would not exist, and unique yet highly entertaining to watch motion offenses like Stew Morrill's(he is retiring after this season, so sad) at Utah State would die. A 24 second shot clock just encourages simple offenses and one on one matchups, as well as chucking; instead of 5 guys working together to create an open look.
First of all, the talk is to move to 30 seconds, not 24. You might have a bit of a better argument for your last two points if the proposal was 24 seconds, but it's not. With a 30-second shot clock instead of a 35-second clock, the only point on your list that really holds any water is the first one (and I personally think that's a bad thing). Even if you take 10 seconds to walk the ball up the court, 20 seconds is plenty of time to run whatever offense you like and be creative. And defense is still just as important. Virginia might allow more points because there are more possessions, but they'll obviously also score more, and their points allowed per possession will be virtually the same if the shot clock changes. Defense will still be critical.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:39 pm to goldennugget
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That's not what teams like Princeton or Utah State do, though. Or even swing offenses like Wisconsin or Virginia. Good slow tempo offenses move the ball around and all 5 players are in constant motion.
I watch good NBA teams do this every night with a 24 second shot clock.
CBB has to lower the shot clock and call defensive 3 seconds desperately. The product is just shite nowadays because so many teams use these two rules to their favor way too damn much and it makes the game just infuriating to watch.
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:43 pm to RTR America
College basketball doesn't have defensive three seconds. It's one of the things that they need to adapt.
They're kinda starting to give the advantages back to the offense in college basketball. Not everything is a charge anymore, they're cracking down on hand checks.
They need to move the three-point line back, extend the restricted area (so even less charging), and they really should ban zones. But since banning zones will never happen, defensive three seconds should be a rule. Zones just make college games impossible to watch.
They're kinda starting to give the advantages back to the offense in college basketball. Not everything is a charge anymore, they're cracking down on hand checks.
They need to move the three-point line back, extend the restricted area (so even less charging), and they really should ban zones. But since banning zones will never happen, defensive three seconds should be a rule. Zones just make college games impossible to watch.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:46 pm to BayouBengals03
I think the 35 has made the college game less competitive. I liked the 45 as it allowed for differing styles and defenses.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:46 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:i have never understood why the women have a shorter clock
NCAA women use a 30-second shot clock. No reason for the men to use a 35-second shot clock.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:47 pm to sms151t
No way, IMO.
Shot clock needs to be 30. 45 would be a joke. It would only slow the game down more, which would make it even less watchable to the casual fan.
Shot clock needs to be 30. 45 would be a joke. It would only slow the game down more, which would make it even less watchable to the casual fan.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:47 pm to BayouBengals03
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College basketball doesn't have defensive three seconds. It's one of the things that they need to adapt.
That is what I meant
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they're cracking down on hand checks.
They tried to make it a point of emphasis last year and they just abandoned it once conference play started.
Everyone hated it too, which was infuriating because it would make the product better if players learned to play defense without fouling. The college game has gotten too physical.
I don't put much stock in people saying stuff like guys leaving early or AAU having any large impact on CBB.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:47 pm to Pelican fan99
But they also don't have a ten second rule.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:48 pm to Pelican fan99
Maybe related to the fact that they have no 10-second count in the backcourt?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:50 pm to BayouBengals03
Well when it was 45 it was a strategy game and more team oriented. I think coaches much like society want instant results.
I liked watching Knights and Smiths offenses but also enjoyed Loyola-Marymount Pitino and Arkansas.
I probably in minority but I think diversity in strategy makes better games.
I liked watching Knights and Smiths offenses but also enjoyed Loyola-Marymount Pitino and Arkansas.
I probably in minority but I think diversity in strategy makes better games.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:51 pm to BayouBengals03
They actually do now. I believe it started this season. And if the women can do it, the men can handle it.
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