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re: 5th place runner feels like silver medallist after 800m defeat to Caster Semenya
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:25 pm to 23hella
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:25 pm to 23hella
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23hella
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So infertile women shouldn't be able to compete in the Olympics?
Here go the morons with the strawmen. You should be able to understand what I meant.
Can/ was / should she be able to give birth with the organs that she was born with. No banned substances, no transgenders.
Christ, who has time to write a legal dissertation.
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:28 pm to LSU316
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That's 3 men.... Baaaabbbby.
More accurately, they are three people who would have been men had their development in the womb been normal. As it stands they are part male and part female. I feel really bad for anyone afflicted with that birth defect but pitting them against women who did develop normally is exceedingly unfair.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:29 pm to Kentucker
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I feel really bad for anyone afflicted with that birth defect but pitting them against women who did develop normally is exceedingly unfair.
As evidenced by the sweep of the medals.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 6:58 pm to Kentucker
Genitals don't matter.
You can have internal testes or just have male level testosterone and male dominant chromosomes, that should matter.
The Olympics were using the testosterone levels - just like they would use for normal females taking testosterone and PEDS for performance enhancing.
Which makes this a joke...if some female athlete took 3X the level of testosterone than a normal female - she would be banned for 5 years.
But if you naturally have that much - you're kosher.
So nature can cheat, science can't.
You can have internal testes or just have male level testosterone and male dominant chromosomes, that should matter.
The Olympics were using the testosterone levels - just like they would use for normal females taking testosterone and PEDS for performance enhancing.
Which makes this a joke...if some female athlete took 3X the level of testosterone than a normal female - she would be banned for 5 years.
But if you naturally have that much - you're kosher.
So nature can cheat, science can't.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:27 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I agree. They've got it backwards. Because Semenya has a vagina, the athlete is seen by the IOC as a female even though the chromosomes are XY and he has functioning testicles.
Considering that Semenya married a woman and can father children, a reasonable person must conclude that he is expressing his male characteristics. The vagina notwithstanding, Caster Semenya is living as a man and seems happy.
Why would someone who is hyperandrogenic choose to compete against normal women knowing they have a great advantage over them? I think it's because of a monetary motivation.
Semenya and the other two 800m medalists come from desperately poor backgrounds and competing in the Olympics had to have offered potential opportunities far beyond their dreams. It's difficult to fault them for taking advantage of the opportunity to better their lives.
Still, the IOC is doing an extreme disservice to the normal women who want the opportunity to succeed, too. As it stands, hyperandrogenic persons have to see the Olympics, and women's sports in general, as a relatively easy route to financial success.
Considering that Semenya married a woman and can father children, a reasonable person must conclude that he is expressing his male characteristics. The vagina notwithstanding, Caster Semenya is living as a man and seems happy.
Why would someone who is hyperandrogenic choose to compete against normal women knowing they have a great advantage over them? I think it's because of a monetary motivation.
Semenya and the other two 800m medalists come from desperately poor backgrounds and competing in the Olympics had to have offered potential opportunities far beyond their dreams. It's difficult to fault them for taking advantage of the opportunity to better their lives.
Still, the IOC is doing an extreme disservice to the normal women who want the opportunity to succeed, too. As it stands, hyperandrogenic persons have to see the Olympics, and women's sports in general, as a relatively easy route to financial success.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 9:50 pm to Kentucker
Why don't they give people like these their own Olympics? There is a ParaOlympics why not a MetaHuman Olympics? Those Olympics could be a lot more inclusive.
Posted on 8/24/16 at 11:01 pm to LsuNav
Because their numbers are so small. Transgenderism, which is an umbrella term for a host of conditions, affects less than 1% of the human population. Hyperanandrogenic people are exceedingly rare.
Something must be done, however. It just isn't fair to put them on the same track with normally developed women. It's getting to the point that, even though their numbers are minute, they're affecting athletic events on the world stage, especially the Olympics.
Something must be done, however. It just isn't fair to put them on the same track with normally developed women. It's getting to the point that, even though their numbers are minute, they're affecting athletic events on the world stage, especially the Olympics.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 7:19 am to Kentucker
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Considering that Semenya married a woman and can father children, a reasonable person must conclude that he is expressing his male characteristics. The vagina notwithstanding, Caster Semenya is living as a man and seems happy.
Ok. Semenya can father children? How exactly? Through some kid of natural act or do they have to do some kind of medical procedure?
Posted on 8/25/16 at 7:46 am to STEVED00
It would have to involve a medical procedure because he doesn't have a functioning full size penis. He does have testicles that produce semen though.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 9:27 am to Cooter Davenport
Yep.
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