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re: 49ers give Kaepernick Len Eshmont award for courage

Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:05 pm to
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:05 pm to
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Again, you have to separate whether you agree with his act/premise, because whether you do or not is irrelevant.


Obviously.

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I think he's a moron for kneeling and he's gone off the deep end with his thoughts in general, as evidenced by his Twitter. But that doesn't change the idea that it obviously took courage for him to do what he did knowing the response that would come as a result.


If you think he's a moron, then how can you be sure he knew anything about the response that would come as a result of his actions?

You're assuming he was aware of all these dire consequences - which as it turns out, weren't even all that dire, but that's another point altogether.

If you concede that you think he's foolish, isn't it also fair to assume he either wasn't aware or hadn't considered the ramifications of his actions?

If I pick up a poisonous snake, but I don't know it's poisonous, it doesn't make me fearless, it makes me unaware and kind of stupid.

And what was the backlash really? First Take sound bytes? Internet message boarders hating you? If enduring that type of backlash is courageous, then every pro QB is a brave, brave man.

He didn't lose his job, his jersey sales skyrocketed, and his corporate sponsors seem to be sticking with him. I read an article recently about his personal brand benefitting from his decision. I haven't heard of any physical danger that he's been in, other than being sacked on the field.

tl;dr - You can't say that he's inarguably courageous if you also admit that he's a moron. Unaware/naive/detached from reality =\= brave/fearless/intrepid.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:44 pm to
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If you think he's a moron, then how can you be sure he knew anything about the response that would come as a result of his actions?

Because I'm being logical about this?

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If you concede that you think he's foolish, isn't it also fair to assume he either wasn't aware or hadn't considered the ramifications of his actions?

I don't agree. Hell, you know he probably doesn't think highly of the white man, so I'm certain he figured white folks wouldn't react too kindly to this.

Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:54 pm to
Ah, the vintage shel counterargument formula in action.

Insert sarcastic, one-sentence rhetorical that addresses little, if any, of the point being made.

Add a laughing emoji.

Rinse and repeat.

Never change, buddy.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 12:55 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110717 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Ah, the vintage shel counterargument formula in action.

Insert sarcastic, one-sentence rhetorical that addresses little, if any, of the point being made.

Add a laughing emoji.

Rinse and repeat.

Never change, buddy.
Some things don't really require a debate.

Like thinking that Keep made this decision and literally thought there would be no backlash whatsoever. Why would I debate you on that?

I won't debate you if you say 2+2=5, again, why would I do that?

Make sense now?
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:59 pm to
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Some things don't really require a debate.



How convenient! That must happen to you pretty often.

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Like thinking that Keep made this decision and literally thought there would be no backlash whatsoever. Why would I debate you on that?



You called him a moron, not me. Are you now saying that morons have a knack for thinking things through? That doesn't make much sense to me.

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I won't debate you if you say 2+2=5, again, why would I do that


Not even close to the same thing.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110717 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:02 pm to
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How convenient! That must happen to you pretty often.

Me? Not debating happens to me often? Not sure you could have made up a more incorrect statement.

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You called him a moron, not me. Are you now saying that morons have a knack for thinking things through? That doesn't make much sense to me.

Do you HONESTLY not realize how far you're reaching here? I'm not even sure you're being serious right now.

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Not even close to the same thing.

Heck of a lot closer than you think.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110717 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:04 pm to
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NawlinsTiger9



Colin Kapernick quote:

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"Granted, I don't want that to happen, but that's the realization of what could happen, and I knew there were other things that came along with this when I first stood up and spoke about it. That's not something I haven't thought about."



Ready to move on from that stance now?
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:04 pm to
he's stupid, not courageous
he's also being manipulated by his girl
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34882 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:06 pm to
It's far, far more of a reach to call someone a moron and then, in the same breath, give them credit for prognosticating the backlash to their aforementioned moronic decisions.

But hey, keep throwing that hyperbole around.
Posted by the crue
Chackbay-Thibodaux
Member since May 2008
3967 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:06 pm to
this franchise deserves to go 1-15 for the next 10 years for shoving harbaugh out the door & this
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110717 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:09 pm to
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But hey, keep throwing that hyperbole around.
That's literally what you're doing here, not me.

You think saying a guy is a moron means he's apparently incapable of basic thinking, which for any logical person, knows that's not the proper context here.

You realize really smart people do really moronic things all the time, right?
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10565 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:09 pm to
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have this crazy opinion that the 2-13 record and the award have nothing to do with each other.


bullshite. The fricking QB made everything about himself and is nothing more than a total distraction. The guy isn't courageous, he's a self-centered douchebag.
Posted by Rig
BHM
Member since Aug 2011
41856 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:11 pm to
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It also took courage for the guys in the Jackass movies to do their stunts.
Johnny Knoxville and Steve-O have infinitely more courage than Kaep that's for sure
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34882 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:13 pm to
I didn't say he's incapable of basic thinking.

That is you throwing hyperbole around. Again.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110717 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:25 pm to
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I didn't say he's incapable of basic thinking.

Making his decision and knowing some level of backlash is coming isn't basic thinking?

I still don't know what you're arguing. Again, have you never in your life seen a smart person do something and think, "Man, what a moron?"

I'm guessing your answer is, "of course, many times." So...

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That is you throwing hyperbole around. Again.

Well, that was on you the first time, I just don't think you realized it.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
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Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:28 pm to
You know what I'm arguing. You're just being deliberately obtuse, as you are wont to do on here.

Carry on. Happy New Year!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110717 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:30 pm to
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You know what I'm arguing.
Kinda

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ou're just being deliberately obtuse
Speaking of obtuse, your argument is that if you call a guy a moron, again, he's incapable of making very normal logical leaps. So yea, I know what you're arguing, but i still don't get it because it isn't logical.

That's it, I don't see what part of that is incorrect. I feel I have your argument pegged very well, it's just, again, not a logical argument you're making by YOU using hyperbole with the term "moron"
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48194 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 4:28 pm to
Daniel Kilgore spends a lot of time and money on programs for special needs children. I would have preferred he won the award. But I'm not on the team. Just a fan for 30 plus years.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48870 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 4:44 pm to
The franchise has become a joke so the award follows suit
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
20857 posts
Posted on 12/31/16 at 6:32 pm to
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Well this certainly explains the 2-13 record if their perception of courage is starting a movement kneeling during the National Anthem and supporting Fidel Castro.




It's bad enough the NFL seems to be less entertaining the last few years and seeing this idiot get praised is even more embarrassing for the NFL.
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