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re: 247: "Coach-2" in report not a Louisville assistant, but Pitino himself
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:15 am to JetsetNuggs
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:15 am to JetsetNuggs
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And disregard my post in that thread about him just getting fired and not getting jail time.
He'll be getting some lengthy time in the clank.
I'd still be genuinely shocked if he gets charged with anything.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:18 am to sicboy
Was there honestly anybody that thought Pitino was in the dark about this?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:19 am to sicboy
he dirty
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:19 am to sicboy
Coaches really need to start talking in mob code.
Call payments to recruits and players "extra academic tutoring sessions" or something. One academic tutoring session = 1,000 dollars.
Call payments to recruits and players "extra academic tutoring sessions" or something. One academic tutoring session = 1,000 dollars.
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Tell Recruit A if he comes here, we'll make sure he gets 10 Extra Academic Tutoring Sessions this year.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:30 am to Walking the Earth
This might be a stupid question but what exactly are the laws these people are breaking that would give them jail time?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:36 am to LSUDbrous90
Soliciting bribes while a member of an institution that receives government funding for the coaches. And the shoe reps, financial advisors, and agents would get charges of actually giving the bribes.
The rest of the charges are all related to that (i.e. wire fraud, mail fraud, etc)
ETA: You can also charge everyone who pocketed money with tax evasion if they didn't report the income (this could include the players and/or family of the players, and it could be a cheap tactic to get them to testify against the coaches and shoe reps).
The rest of the charges are all related to that (i.e. wire fraud, mail fraud, etc)
ETA: You can also charge everyone who pocketed money with tax evasion if they didn't report the income (this could include the players and/or family of the players, and it could be a cheap tactic to get them to testify against the coaches and shoe reps).
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:41 am to JetsetNuggs
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He'll be getting some lengthy time in the clank
Legitimate question here:
What law(s) has Petino himself actually broken? OK so he made a call to get a player some money. Its against NCAA rules but is that against the actual law? If you say its a bribe, isnt a scholarship in itself a bribe?
Scene 1: I bribe you with cash to come here to play.
Scene 2: I bribe you with a scholarship to come here to play.
Now if Petino was getting kickbacks from agents or Adidas to steer players their way once they went pro and didnt report that income on his taxes, then yeah you could get him on tax evasion but in my opinion thats the only possibility.
(Please dont bring up the hooker deal bc unless thats tied to this investigation, that in itself is a totally different situation.)
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:46 am to sicboy
A bit off-topic, but given their involvement in the Boston College point shaving scandal a few decades back, why hasn't the Mafia gotten their hands in this? Surely you'd think some of these money managers, agents and AAU folks are degenerate gamblers and would rack up debts that couldn't otherwise be paid. This seems to be an easy way for the mob to make money.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:47 am to JOHNN
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Now if Petino was getting kickbacks from agents or Adidas to steer players their way once they went pro and didnt report that income on his taxes, then yeah you could get him on tax evasion but in my opinion thats the only possibility.
Besides tax evasion, sounds like some fraud involved. The jail time would come because of the fraud and issues with misusing federal grants and the like.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:49 am to sicboy
If true and the NCAA doesn't give Louisville the death penalty, they might as well just disband the entire organization.
If this doesn't warrant the death penalty, why should any school comply with anything the NCAA says. If true.
If this doesn't warrant the death penalty, why should any school comply with anything the NCAA says. If true.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:55 am to slackster
That was an expensive phone call
Posted on 9/28/17 at 10:55 am to The Pirate King
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Besides tax evasion, sounds like some fraud involved. The jail time would come because of the fraud and issues with misusing federal grants and the like.
The money paid to players is t through grants though. In this instance it was from adidas. You were going to give the kid a scholarship no matter what so federal funds were never misused.
Now if they somehow were giving scholarships away to people other than who was on the paperwork thats fraud. But I doubt that was happening.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:04 am to SCLibertarian
Were they involved in the more recent scandal or just the Henry Hill one of the 70s and 80s?
That one was the Lucchese guys getting ahold of a player already groomed by a bunch of Pittsburg drug dealers and running with it.
That one was the Lucchese guys getting ahold of a player already groomed by a bunch of Pittsburg drug dealers and running with it.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:07 am to memphis tiger
Agreed but I think they go with the “half death penalty” instead like Baylor got after the Dave Bliss scandals.
They still play an ACC schedule but no OOC games, no tournies, and either 0 or limited scholarships.
That lets the school fulfill obligations while crippling the program at the same time. They can recover but it will take probably a decade or more.
They still play an ACC schedule but no OOC games, no tournies, and either 0 or limited scholarships.
That lets the school fulfill obligations while crippling the program at the same time. They can recover but it will take probably a decade or more.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:23 am to sicboy
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"These allegations come as a complete shock to me," Pitino said in the statement. "I agree with the U.S. Attorneys (sic) Office that these third-party schemes, initiated by a few bad actors, operated to commit a fraud on the impacted universities and their basketball programs, including the University of Louisville. Our fans and supporters deserve better and I am committed to taking whatever steps are needed to ensure those responsible are held accountable."
I'm sure you are shocked Rick...shocked you got caught
Posted on 9/28/17 at 11:23 am to slackster
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I'd still be genuinely shocked if he gets charged with anything.
The FBI is not the NCAA. They give zero effs about maintaining a blue blood's standing.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:03 pm to JetsetNuggs
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And disregard my post in that thread about him just getting fired and not getting jail time.
He'll be getting some lengthy time in the clank.
No he won't.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:05 pm to The Pirate King
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Besides tax evasion, sounds like some fraud involved. The jail time would come because of the fraud and issues with misusing federal grants and the like.
How is it tax evasion on the part of Pitino?
You have no idea what fraud is.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:07 pm to memphis tiger
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If true and the NCAA doesn't give Louisville the death penalty, they might as well just disband the entire organization.
If this doesn't warrant the death penalty, why should any school comply with anything the NCAA says. If true.
There will never be another "death penalty".
And explain to me how this is on the level of SMU? They had an actual, functioning payroll in effect. That will not be topped.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 12:12 pm to MidnightVibe
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nd explain to me how this is on the level of SMU? They had an actual, functioning payroll in effect. That will not be topped.
Doesn't matter if it's on the level of SMU, they committed repeat NCAA infractions within the 5 year period which constitutes prima facie grounds for the death penalty but we all know the NCAA enforcers consist of inconsistent, dishonest chodes so, from a reality basis, ain't much shite gonna happen.
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