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re: 2 completely random questions about women's college softball

Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:13 am to
Posted by mrbroker
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:13 am to
uhhhhhhhhhh..yes it is.. title 9 correct me says that Bama has to give an equal number of women scholarships as mens. Since FB has 85 and there is no womens FB team they have to spread it to womens sports to make all womens and all mens scholarships equal. So it is not just a FB situation but FB takes up a lot of scholarships for one sport
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:17 am to
Football and basketball coaches aren't allowed on the field during actual play, like the two base coaches. Baseball coaches are also allowed to go on the field to argue and appeal calls. In addition baseball coaches are allowed one free trip to the mound every inning to talk with their pitcher.
Posted by mrbroker
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:21 am to
yes and I understand all of that but they are not participating in the game itself so fundamentally there is no reason for them to be wearing a full uni. You could say the same thing for FB. Coaches are on the sideline which is part of the field and go out during time outs to talk to players and the umpires. same thing when a BB coach goes onto the field. Base coaches are in foul territory just like a FB coach is on the sidelines of the playing field
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:23 am to
Foul Territory =/= Sidelines

Sidelines are more like the dugout
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:23 am to
quote:

uhhhhhhhhhh..yes it is.. title 9 correct me says that Bama has to give an equal number of women scholarships as mens.


No that is not correct, they use a three prong approach you just need to hit on one of the three

1) the intercollegiate- level participation opportunities for male and female students at the institution are "substantially proportionate" to their respective full- time undergraduate enrollments.

2) the institution has a "history and continuing practice of program expansion" for the underrepresented sex, or

3) the institution is "fully and effectively" accommodating the interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex.


As yes it applies to any educational institution that receives federal funds.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 11:31 am
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:28 am to
without posting a link to a long article that I wont read. please in a nutshell tell me the concepts of title 9 as it applies to college sports. title 9 also applies to high school sports.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:30 am to
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title 9 correct me says that Bama has to give an equal number of women scholarships as mens

no, absolutely not. someone explained the 3 prongs to you. you should read into that.

most schools hit on the second and third prongs i believe.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 11:31 am
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:34 am to
ok if bama has 60/40 women to men ratio then we must have 60 full scholarships for a woman to 40 for a man's sport?
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:36 am to
yes, if you want to comply with that prong which almost nobody does because of that exact reason.

again, prongs 2 and 3 are where most schools end up complying with title ix. you only have to hit 1.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:39 am to
U have to admit that 2 and 3 are very random and vague?
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:45 am to
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For Bama;s sake and a lot of SEC schools they are still making money.



No way are softball teams profitable
Posted by mrbroker
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:46 am to
was referring to the entire athletic department and Bama puts a lot of fannies in the seats. I bet they are not losing money
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 11:52 am to
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was referring to the entire athletic department and Bama puts a lot of fannies in the seats. I bet they are not losing money



Thanks to football and men's basketball. All other teams are money losers, including probably men's baseball. LSU is one of the few that actually makes money on baseball

Not many athletic departments are profitable
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:03 pm to
pretty sure bama gym and SB don't lose money
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:33 pm to
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pretty sure bama gym and SB don't lose money

either you're very, very wrong

or

bama is fricking insane and very, very weird
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:35 pm to
Pretty sure you are wrong.

In fact, I'm willing to bet they aren't anywhere even close to being profitable
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:36 pm to
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Baseball managers/coaches are allowed on the field of play, so they wear a uniform.

Why in the ever-loving shitballs does that matter?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:38 pm to
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Football and basketball coaches aren't allowed on the field during actual play, like the two base coaches. Baseball coaches are also allowed to go on the field to argue and appeal calls. In addition baseball coaches are allowed one free trip to the mound every inning to talk with their pitcher.
The first base coach and third base coach are in foul territory. So they are not on the field.

And when a coach goes to talk to the pitcher, time is called.

So neither one of your points make sense.

And even if coaches were allowed on the field during the actual game, why would that have any bearing at all in terms of what they are wearing?
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:44 pm to
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was referring to the entire athletic department and Bama puts a lot of fannies in the seats. I bet they are not losing money

read up on "marginal revenue"

Title IX is bad because universities don't expand their scholarships to make the required ratios, they cut them or shuffle the scholarships from men's sports to women's. It doesn't expand any opportunities at all, it just redistributes them (where it doesn't outright reduce them).
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:49 pm to
Scholarship limitations are ridiculous to begin with. A school/university should be able to give as many scholarships out as it wants. Nothing wrong with as many kids as possible getting a chance to attend a major university, or any university for that matter, for free and get an education and have a better chance to be a contributable member of this country
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