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re: 100th ranked LPGA golfer vs Scratch male golfer
Posted on 7/7/11 at 6:01 pm to Shankopotomus
Posted on 7/7/11 at 6:01 pm to Shankopotomus
The Broadmoor is at 6200 ft. I live in Vegas and notice the difference to Louisiana, and we are only around 2000 ft. Most of it has to do with the temperature, but some of it is the altitude.
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Posted on 7/7/11 at 6:06 pm to threeputt
The LPGA golfer wins...hands down. If you think otherwise, you are just dumb and don't know the game. she will have the length for that course and will have experience under pressure...if she is top 100, she has faced stiff competition and dealt with pressure, galleries, etc. She will be calm around the greens, etc. If you add a gallery, she wins by 10-15 strokes, because the club level scratch handicapper will collapse, get shaky in the short game, etc. The guy won't have a chance.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 6:26 pm to threeputt
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100th ranked LPGA golfer vs Scratch male golfer
9/10 times the Professional Golfer wins wether it's a woman, man or hermaphrodite.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 7:00 pm to Ford Frenzy
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what does this mean for the 100th LPGA golfer averaging 73-74
they suck even worse?
pretty sure they aren't playing 6200-6400 yard courses with ratings at 77 from that yardage
They aren't but your scratch golfer from BR Country Club is playing in 3 or 4 tourneys a year.
A HDCP of zero is around 75-76 average score. I don't see that dropping 5 strokes because of 500 yards over 18 holes.
This post was edited on 7/7/11 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 7/7/11 at 8:08 pm to threeputt
I dont know 500 yards longer would be a huge difference where a longer driver would have a huge advantage.
Scratch golfer probably averages 290 off the tee PGA pro averages 240. 50 yards a hole would add up quick. My guess is that it depends on course set up. I could see a 6900 yard course with either winning. I would pick scratch on St. Andrews and I would pick LPGA on a tree lined course.
200 yards out goes to scratch 100 yards in goes to LPGA.
Scratch golfer probably averages 290 off the tee PGA pro averages 240. 50 yards a hole would add up quick. My guess is that it depends on course set up. I could see a 6900 yard course with either winning. I would pick scratch on St. Andrews and I would pick LPGA on a tree lined course.
200 yards out goes to scratch 100 yards in goes to LPGA.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 9:12 pm to LSUtigersarefun
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Scratch golfer probably averages 290 off the tee PGA pro averages 240.
Scratch golfer averages more like 270 compared to 250 by an LPGA golfer. Not to mention shes much more accurate.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 9:23 pm to Golfer
The reason I think a scratch golfer would be in the game a Lpga tour pro with a driver is because 275-285 is an 105-110mile an hour swing speed, and The 5 or 6 scratch players I know average faster than that. The reason they are scratch in large part is because they bomb it, because their short game is not even with an equivalent pro. Even with a 25 yard difference that is 3 clubs a hole and 5 clubs a par 5. That is a huge difference. I also think everyone is seriously under estimating how good a scratch golfer is. That said i think 76 wins.
This post was edited on 7/7/11 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 7/7/11 at 9:33 pm to threeputt
I don't know who wins. But there is a difference in the courses, public or private that scratch golfers might play on and courses built with the idea of hosting PGA and even LPGA tourneys. Yes, I know some are used for both, but only 1-2 in each state.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 9:33 pm to LSUtigersarefun
One last twist to this. Take that same scratch golfer, give him Butch Harmon, the best equipment customized to him, bones on his bag, and 2 months to prepare without work, and the scratch golfer walks all over the LPGA pro.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 9:54 pm to LSUtigersarefun
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I would pick scratch on St. Andrews and I would pick LPGA on a tree lined course.
Other than holes 1, 17 and 18, St. Andrews is a pasture with heavy wind, feskew everywhere and lots of trouble. The average scratch is no where near par there. An LPGA pro has all the shots...bump and run, 200' putts, knock down, half-clubs, etc. At St. Andrews, the pro would win by 10+ strokes. 20 if you add a gallery.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:12 pm to LSUtigersarefun
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One last twist to this. Take that same scratch golfer, give him Butch Harmon, the best equipment customized to him, bones on his bag, and 2 months to prepare without work, and the scratch golfer walks all over the LPGA pro.
No, just no. I know how good they are compared to a scratch player. Scratch player might beat them once. The girl isn't going to shoot over par. Those golf courses they play are probably a 76 rating in most cases
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:25 pm to LSUtigersarefun
quote:all the more reason the lpga golfer will win...And I really. Think y'all underestimate how hard the courses they play are...
The reason they are scratch in large part is because they bomb it, because their short game is not even with an equivalent pro
The LPGA tournament of champions has been played on the same course as the ajga championship on the rtj trail. Winner of the LPGA tourney was like 17 under par. Winner of the ajga tourney (a scratch junior golfer) was two over par.
This post was edited on 7/7/11 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:28 pm to hehateme2285
Just an FYI
I was looking at Kiawah Island and thier 6200 132 slope yard tee box had both mens and womans handicap index. 76.7 women and 70.9 mens. That would mean the woman would have to be a +6 to equal a scratch male. Their 7356 144 slope has a rating of 77.3 That is an extra 1000 yards and 12 degrees equals the same handicap. From 6800 138 it is a 73.5. I just have to imagine that for a woman that would be an 80+. based on the progression. Female golfer would have to play to a +8 to beat the male. I think you are underestimating a male scratch golfer.
I was looking at Kiawah Island and thier 6200 132 slope yard tee box had both mens and womans handicap index. 76.7 women and 70.9 mens. That would mean the woman would have to be a +6 to equal a scratch male. Their 7356 144 slope has a rating of 77.3 That is an extra 1000 yards and 12 degrees equals the same handicap. From 6800 138 it is a 73.5. I just have to imagine that for a woman that would be an 80+. based on the progression. Female golfer would have to play to a +8 to beat the male. I think you are underestimating a male scratch golfer.
This post was edited on 7/7/11 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:41 pm to LSUtigersarefun
quote:Most are touting distance as the factor of a scratch golfer beating a LPGA member.
The 5 or 6 scratch players I know average faster than that. The reason they are scratch in large part is because they bomb it, because their short game is not even with an equivalent pro. Even with a 25 yard difference that is 3 clubs a hole and 5 clubs a par 5. That is a huge difference.
If that's the case, then why aren't guys like Bubba Watson, Holmes, Garrigus, Dusting Johnson, and Gary Woodland winning more often (top 5 in driving distance)?
Some of the top 10 in world ranking driving distance rank:
#1 Luke Donald - 145th
#5 Stricker - 127
#6 Mickelson - 23
#7 Jason Day - 21
#8 Kuchar - 125
#9 McDowell - 114
#10 Watney - 12
Half of these guys are about 25 to 40 yards shorter than the long hitters.
Point is, LPGA players have much more game than any scratch golfer....especially in the short game where you turn pars into birdies and bogeys into pars.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:41 pm to KosmoCramer
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But I don't know how aggressive the pins are set up in the LPGA, that could easily raise scores as well as rougher conditions than a scratch golfer playing at some scrub country club with easy pins every week.
Every course I've ever played on just prior to the PGA tournament play, and in the pro-ams I've played, I always played much better. The balls roll true, the divots out of the fairways are always perfect dollar bills and the sand is always consistent to depth and texture. The only issue is the rough is usually longer than usual.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:48 pm to LSUtigersarefun
quote:Have you played the course or been there? A weekend scratch golfer would be lucky to break 80 from those tees.
Kiawah Island - 7356 144 slope has a rating of 77.3
On another point, most scratch golfers get their handicap playing courses with slope rating of 120-130. In my experience, playing a course with a slope rating of 132+ is much more difficult than the 1-3 extra strokes per the course rating.
Posted on 7/7/11 at 10:59 pm to LSUtigersarefun
A male scratch golfer playing Kiawah's 6200 yard tees will average 70.9 20% of the time and will probably have a total average 75. The LPGA player with a total average (not 20%) of 74 is probably a +2 or +3 because the average rating is probably 73-75 on most course.
This post was edited on 7/7/11 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 7/7/11 at 11:04 pm to bomber77
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I was about 30 and played to a 2 handicap. I played in a pro-am with a girl from the B-tour. (kinda of like the Nike tour was for men) The course was about 6400 yards and set up tough.
I shot 73 (+1) and she shot 70. I was way way longer off the tee. She was deadly straight and accurate. Awesome on the greens too.
6900 yards Id call it close in your example. Depends on how "scratch" the male really is and how long the 100th ranked women is imo.
This might be the best answer to a question ever.
Posted on 7/8/11 at 8:21 am to Golfer
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A HDCP of zero is around 75-76 average score. I don't see that dropping 5 strokes because of 500 yards over 18 holes.
28 yards per hole is a big deal
This post was edited on 7/8/11 at 8:22 am
Posted on 7/8/11 at 9:08 am to Ford Frenzy
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28 yards per hole is a big deal
Not really...if that were the case, then any of the PGA tour players who average around 270 would be losing every week to bubba Watson
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