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What’s the most undervalued stock in the market? (2-1-24)

Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:20 pm
Posted by Smoke239
Member since Jan 2024
121 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:20 pm
My pick:

Lufax (LU)

Key stats:
P/B is 0.10
Dividend ratio is now 15.5%. They paid out more in dividends in 2022 than the company’s entire market cap is valued at today.
They have around 5.3 Bil in cash. Market Cap is 1.3 Bil.
They IPO in 2020 around $50. Today it’s $2.35.

Now you might say, why? Only answer: China.

Back in 2022, companies like Meta and BABA traded at similar valuation multiples. The last 18 months have seen a giant decoupling between US and China. Meta 4x off bottom. Baba continues to sink. Despite financials being similar. But a few Chinese companies like LU are trading so far underneath actual inherent value it’s almost impossible to conceive.

If you are a contrarian, or value investor, long China. Short US Tech. Might take 3 months, might take 3 years. But math is math.

What are you buying and shorting for the coming 2 years?


Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3787 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 10:23 pm to
How much Lufax do you own?

It's down 80%

Something here stinks.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84752 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 2:23 am to
quote:

LUFAX HOLDING LTD is a holding company mainly engaged in providing financial services for small and micro enterprises. The Company’s core retail credit enablement business includes bank-funded loans, trust-funded loans and consumer finance loans. The Company is also engaged in wealth management and providing access to financial products and services. The Company conducts the business through its subsidiaries.


What good is price to book if that book value is potentially wildly inaccurate?
quote:

Dividend ratio is now 15.5%. They paid out more in dividends in 2022 than the company’s entire market cap is valued at today. They have around 5.3 Bil in cash. Market Cap is 1.3 Bil. They IPO in 2020 around $50. Today it’s $2.35


They’ve paid our 4 dividends in their lifetime as a company:

4/22 - $1.36
10/22 - $.68
4/23 - $.20
10/23 - $.156

Not exactly the most promising trend, so I would throw the trailing yield in the garbage. Their cash on hand is also going the wrong direction to the tune of a 24% drop over the last two quarters.

BofA also had this to say:

quote:

BofA downgraded Lufax () to Neutral from Buy with a price target of $2.80, down from $5.80. Given the firm sees “no business turnaround in sight and low business visibility,” the firm cut Lufax’s 2023 attributed net profit estimate by 35% and 2024-25 profit estimates by 66%-90%. The analyst continues to prefer Qifu Technology () over Lufax for higher visibility, a better track record and high capital return.


I say all of that to say I’ll watch LU but to call it a contrarian play would be the understatement of the year.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70917 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:19 am to
CRWS should be doing better. Healthy balance sheet and solid dividend.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15756 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 5:22 am to
BMY
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4646 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:01 am to
Welcome back AncientTiger!!!
Posted by montana
Bozeman, MT
Member since Dec 2008
1409 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 11:47 am to
BABA
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3787 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

BABA


Why is this down so much? What am I missing.
Posted by caill430
Da Dirty Dell
Member since Jul 2005
1101 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 6:03 pm to
For the love of god ask ancient tiger!
Posted by Smoke239
Member since Jan 2024
121 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 2:47 am to
quote:

How much Lufax do you own? It's down 80% Something here stinks.


I own a lot of it. Started buying it last August.

Only thing that stinks is China sentiment.

They could literally liquidate the company and investors will be paid back 8-10x. Most likely they go back private as their majority stockholder is Ping An at BV. Which again is 10x from here. Still would be a 50% haircut from IPO value but recent investors would make a killing.

Trading at 10% of BV, when your book is full of liquid assets like cash and loans, is completely insane. Even in the midst of financial crisis no bank was trading at 20% of their cash

And this isn’t some micro cap stock that could have strange valuations. Lufax is a whale in Chinese e-lending. Other competitors like QFIN and JFIN don’t trade for anywhere close to it.

Only time I’ve ever seen p/b ratios this out of whack with inherent asset value are Greek shipping companies which are just a dilution scam. Lufax will never dilute and has had buybacks in the past.

They are priced like the Yuan will collapse. I think when Chinese start to print and stimulate, this will 20x off the bottom. Their price action reminds me of UAN. Another good company, that paid dividends, and got throttled down to a microscopic valuation during Covid only to 25x off their bottom
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
2754 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 5:11 am to
Wow I have never witnessed such a polite bitch slapping like the one you just received
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12073 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:10 am to
NIO
Posted by Naked Bootleg
Member since Jul 2021
1814 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 8:20 am to
quote:

What are you buying and shorting for the coming 2 years?


AI-supporting industries and uranium.

ETA: said lithium; meant uranium. Too early in the morning to talk investments?
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 7:12 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84752 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 3:17 pm to
You’re shorting lithium at these prices? Seems like that trade may be getting a little long in the tooth.
Posted by Naked Bootleg
Member since Jul 2021
1814 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:12 pm to
My bad. I meant uranium.
Posted by montana
Bozeman, MT
Member since Dec 2008
1409 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 9:18 am to
Don’t know why BABA is down. Was part of my retirement plan, but now thinking of selling if it doesn’t improve over the next year.
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